Vegas Free-for-All - ObamaCare NOT working as planned

Dan Svatass

Jul 10, 2014
3:15am

Lurching back to the subject of this thread:

A new survey shows that President Obama's signature health care legislation continues to not be perfect. For the benefit of this forum's readers, allow me to translate the survey's conclusions, Fox News style.

* Merely 74% of Republicans who obtained health insurance under Obamacare are satisfied with their coverage.

* Just 78% of all Americans said they were satisfied: 73% of those enrolled in a private plan, and 84% of those enrolled in Medicaid.

* A paltry 58% said that they were better off now than they were before, which stands in contrast to the whopping 9% who said they were worse off.

* A scant 81% said that they were optimistic that their new coverage would help them get the health care they need.

The Commonwealth Fund survey, conducted only between April 9 to June 2, covered a trifling 4,425 U.S. adults.

pjstroh

Jul 10, 2014
3:21am

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I already said I didn't support the 2008...and now you've confirmed that you believe "evidence" and "no evidence" are the same thing. Glad we got everything cleared up

Oh come on. I've confirmed no such thing. I'm just looking at their petty partisan motives and what is good for our country....It's not pushing an impeachment charge that further divides us and has no possible hope of coming to fruition. That's just political grandstanding in the worst possible way. The Republicans did it in 98, the Democrats did it in 08 and I sincerely hope the Republicans don't do it again in 14. It's wrong headed pandering to the base and not in the interest of all Americans.

You're looking at what exactly for your 'evidence and no evidence' charge? Are there actual articles of impeachment for Obama drawn up? Did the House Vote to send it to judiciary? Can you send them to me or publish them so we can all see what Obama is charged with?

So you're somehow comparing an impeachment charge that isn't written that may never be voted on to one that really truly existed and was actually voted on? And then you turn around and accuse me of some kind of bizarre belief that 'evidence and no evidence' are the same thing. I guess in your fantasy world, impeachment and not impeachment are the same thing.

You just can't make this shit up.

HOLY COW...you are the one that brought up 2008 and used it for comparison to today...in this thread....you...and you are now crying about someone else weighing in on your comparison. Yes, I already said its a false equivalency. And you've now also said its a false equivalency after saying they were the same.

I cant tell if I'm talking to Norman or Mother with you.

The reason Democrats had articles of impeachment was because they had evidence. They specifically listed what they believed the president was guilty of and they had facts to make a case. You can agree or not agree with the decision - but it was based upon evidence. There is a very good reason why the current Congress does not have articles of impeachment. They dont have evidence. They dont even know why they want to impeach the president...they just do. I'm sorry you think those two things are the same ... or is it now not the same...or sorta the same...or whatever your position is from minute to minute.

alanleroyII

Jul 10, 2014
3:58am

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I already said I didn't support the 2008...and now you've confirmed that you believe "evidence" and "no evidence" are the same thing. Glad we got everything cleared up

Oh come on. I've confirmed no such thing. I'm just looking at their petty partisan motives and what is good for our country....It's not pushing an impeachment charge that further divides us and has no possible hope of coming to fruition. That's just political grandstanding in the worst possible way. The Republicans did it in 98, the Democrats did it in 08 and I sincerely hope the Republicans don't do it again in 14. It's wrong headed pandering to the base and not in the interest of all Americans.

You're looking at what exactly for your 'evidence and no evidence' charge? Are there actual articles of impeachment for Obama drawn up? Did the House Vote to send it to judiciary? Can you send them to me or publish them so we can all see what Obama is charged with?

So you're somehow comparing an impeachment charge that isn't written that may never be voted on to one that really truly existed and was actually voted on? And then you turn around and accuse me of some kind of bizarre belief that 'evidence and no evidence' are the same thing. I guess in your fantasy world, impeachment and not impeachment are the same thing.

You just can't make this shit up.

I can say they are the same because all three are examples of petty partisan politics. Political grandstanding with no hope of success. A huge distraction not in the best interest of all Americans. You understand how that works and why I can say they're the same? I didn't think so.

They are a little different too. Because President Clinton was actually impeached by a Republican House. Because the Democrat controlled House voted to forward Bush's impeachment to Judiciary. Because there are no impeachment charges against President Obama....None.

Since there are no charges the whole 'Evidence/No Evidence' diddy is completely meaningless. How can there be evidence when there is no charge? You understand how that works and why I can say that? I didn't think so. How do you know there is no evidence?

Let's just cut to the bottom line. I don't support impeachment against Obama. I did not against Bush or Clinton. Both Political parties have used their occasional majorities to gin up impeachment proceedings against the last 2 Presidents that had no hope of success (Removal of a sitting president).

Their motives were political grandstanding. It's wrong and it is not in the best interest of all Americans. Now, you're the one crying about Republicans talking impeachment and suing the president. You're the one trying to parse this and weasel word it to make it seem like Bush Impeachment Justified, Obama Impeachment Bullshit...because well...Evidence/No Evidence.

My friend they are both bullshit done in the furtherance of some group of yahoo's personal political agendas. I am truly sorry you can't see that. Maybe someday you will.

hoops2

Jul 10, 2014
4:25am

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Chilly digs up a survey from the commonwealth fund, which is immediately suspicious because nobody ever heard of them. A little research shows that the commonwealth fund is run by David blumenthal who served as a senior health advisor to the Obama campaign. He also received an appointment from Obama for advisory work. His brother is the democratic senator from Ct.

So it is no surprise ( and it calls into question the validity) that he produces a survey showing the wonders of obamacare.

forkushV

Jul 10, 2014
4:46am

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Chilly digs up a survey from the commonwealth fund, which is immediately suspicious because nobody ever heard of them. A little research shows that the commonwealth fund is run by David blumenthal who served as a senior health advisor to the Obama campaign...

Good point, except that you're the guy who embarrassed yourself by quoting a source who sued Bush planning 9/11, and Obama for being in Kenya. Have you at long last no shame?

And ever hear of the Kaiser Family Foundation?

hoops2

Jul 10, 2014
6:19am

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Forky digs up a poll that is over a year old. Most polling by Gallup and other polling firms has consistently shown obamacare support in the low 40's

pjstroh

Jul 10, 2014
6:21am

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Forky digs up a poll that is over a year old. Most polling by Gallup and other polling firms has consistently shown obamacare support in the low 40's

Data provided by the Hoops Foundation

Dan Svatass

Jul 10, 2014
6:25am

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Here, allow me to echo hoops2's criticism of the 96-years old Commonwealth Fund's credibility:

John glenn, an old man from Ohio, "claims" he was the first Amrican to orbit the earth. However, he was a lifelong democrat operattive, even had the lefties in Hollywood make a movie, "The Right Stuff" about his supposed "heroics". What a Crock!

How'd I do?

forkushV

Jul 10, 2014
6:57am

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Forky digs up a poll that is over a year old. Most polling by Gallup and other polling firms has consistently shown obamacare support in the low 40's

5/19/2014 is over a year old? Time flies in hoopsland!

alanleroyII

Jul 10, 2014
7:21am

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Chilly digs up a survey from the commonwealth fund, which is immediately suspicious because nobody ever heard of them. A little research shows that the commonwealth fund is run by David blumenthal who served as a senior health advisor to the Obama campaign...

Of course I support the sentiments of this survey and have made many suggestions on ways to fix the shortcomings of the ACA...most related to the still outrageous costs of medical care in the USA.

"I see no other way to really fix healthcare in the US than to build on what we have now...after all, it's what we have now....and where else would we start? You'll note that even though I complain about many aspects of the legislation, I do not call for it's repeal. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but damn it, let's at least drain the friggin' tub."

AlanLeroy 2/2/14

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