Vegas Free-for-All - Plaza to charge RESORT FEE

Lee O

Jul 3, 2012
1:36am

I stayed there for 3 nights 3 weeks ago and was a little miffed that the pool area closed at 6 p.m.
Now put this into perspective, a new Resort Fee to enjoy all these amenities, so you check in after 3
it's now 4 p.m you unpack etc. 5p.m. you get a snack or light dinner, then it's 6 ish and you want to
check out the pool that's now closed, you might be a little miffed too, I hope that the Plaza extends
pool hours now that they are implementing a Resort Fee, I think, quite possibly that they have the earliest closing time of any pool in Vegas.

mrmarcus12LVA

Jul 3, 2012
2:04am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy What part of my original comment that I like the way the Stat does it don't you understand?

What part of my comment that it's a BAD "resort fee" did YOU not understand. I didn't say YOU don't like it; you can like it or not. I said it was a good example of a BAD "resort fee," charging everyone for something that can EASILY be charged only to those who use it.

How can you possibly NOT UNDERSTAND that my comment had nothing to do with whether you like the fee???

mrmarcus12LVA

Jul 3, 2012
2:16am

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Originally posted by: snidely333 You are just regurgitating the same argument about resort fees. The Strat could just say, "Free tower admission for our hotel guests" and increase the room rates by $7.50 a day. Bellagio could say, "Free wifi internet, newspaper and complimentary gym use" and increase their rates by $25 a day. The ease of which these amenities can be segregated is irrelevant.

Since these fees are mandatory, it's just a numbers scam by the hotels. The Strat could just as easily, from a strict numbers perspective, give you free tower admission with your room but add a mandatory $7.50 charge for the TV. At the end of the day, you get the same exact amenities for the same exact price; it's just the lack of an easy to understand single price that people have issues with.

Your argument assumes that the consumer is a moron who doesn't know anything about resort fees and is simply being gouged. The properties use the resort fee scheme to highlight their ammenities and allow the consumer to compare them with competing properties. The consumer does not need to do exhaustive research for each property. Rather, the consumer can simply look at the resort fee and what it includes, to make an informed decision.

All I'm saying about the Strat is that it's a bad idea to add something that can easily be done with a user fee.

noahcat

Jul 3, 2012
2:25am

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Originally posted by: Nesalk[/iWait a minute, don't you actually have to be a resort before you can charge a resort fee??

well played

alanleroy

Jul 3, 2012
2:27am

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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA

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Originally posted by: alanleroy What part of my original comment that I like the way the Stat does it don't you understand?

Well since you were reponding to my original comment and quoted my original comment I thought you wanted to provide something relevant to my comment that I like it because it actually adds value. I guess not.

Ahhh I get it..poor mrmarcus doesn't understand that the vast majority of guests who Stay at the Strat want to visit the tower anyway and this amenity saves them all a lot of dough. In fact, a family of 4 who was going to Visit the Tower can sometimes save money by getting a room and paying the resort fee....even if they never use the room. That is a fine example of a Resort Fee that is a great value.

All your other ramblings are just not relevant. It makes no difference if it's easy or hard to set up a new process to give guests a discount for tower admission and not charge anyone a resort fee. The fact of the matter is most Strat Guests get great value from their relatively low resort fee. Unlike other properties where most Guests get limited value for higher fees. Perhaps mrmarcus can point to what he considers a 'Good' resort fee so we can compare the value that 'Good' fee offers to most consumers with the 'Bad' Resort Fee offerred by the Stratosphere.

Loyd Vegas

Jul 3, 2012
3:58am

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Here is the post that the Plaza placed on their Facebook page.

Basically they are saying they don't give a shit about what people think about it.

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Plaza Hotel and Casino

To clarify...
Yes - the rumors are true. The Plaza will be adding a $10/day resort fee on July 24 that includes unlimited wireless internet, bottled water, free parking, coupon book valued at over $250 and free 800/local phone calls.
We've read the comments and understand there are some unhappy guests that will not choose to stay here because of this decision. We are moving forward though and hope that people understand what an exception value the all new Plaza offers alongside very affordable room rates!

mrmarcus12LVA

Jul 3, 2012
4:05am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy Perhaps mrmarcus can point to what he considers a 'Good' resort fee so we can compare the value that 'Good' fee offers to most consumers with the 'Bad' Resort Fee offerred by the Stratosphere.

I have already done so, for those interested in an opinion other than their own. A good resort fee is a charge for a package of ammenities. The ammenities are clearly stated for the consumer, and the consumer isn't obligated to pay for things THAT COULD EASILY BE EXCLUDED, and offered "a la carte." Another example of a bad resort fee would be a resort fee that includes a helicopter ride or some other kind of day outing. Another example of a good resort fee would be a resort fee that includes special in-room TV programming, or possibly a limited in-room bar.

This has nothing to do with your personal preferences nor the personal preferences of anyone else. Undoubtably, there are people who PASS on the Strat because they are required to pay for tower access they won't use. That isn't the point. The point is that tower access could JUST AS EASILY be doled out on an as needed basis, using a simple system that would be very inexpensive. Undoubtably, the owners understand this, but prefer to charge everyone.

Now, please make another response that indicates no real interest in understanding anything, but just reiterates something that no rational person would disagree with, i.e. your personal preferences about tower access at the Strat, and your own personal idea about what is a fair price for same.

alanleroy

Jul 3, 2012
5:06am

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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA

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Originally posted by: alanleroy Perhaps mrmarcus can point to what he considers a 'Good' resort fee so we can compare the value that 'Good' fee offers to most consumers with the 'Bad' Resort Fee offerred by the Stratosphere.

I meant point to a "Good Resort Fee' in the real world....not one you've made up in your own mind. Or just point to one other than the Strat where the Vast Majority of Guests take advantage of the amenity and save a lot of money doing so....

mrmarcus12LVA

Jul 3, 2012
9:49am

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Originally posted by: alanleroy I meant point to a "Good Resort Fee' in the real world....not one you've made up in your own mind. Or just point to one other than the Strat where the Vast Majority of Guests take advantage of the amenity and save a lot of money doing so....

Your logic is circular. They don't save money, they spend $7.50 whether or not they want to visit the tower. That's spending, not saving. And the property could JUST AS EASY offer tower access for $7.50, instead of requiring it.

Suncoast $5.00
Local and 800 calls
Scheduled Airport Shuttle (reservations required, please call our Front Desk toll free at 877-677-7111)
Fitness Center access 24 hours a day
In room coffee
In room safe
In room refrigerator
USA Today newspaper

alanleroy

Jul 3, 2012
10:42am

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Originally posted by: mrmarcus12LVA
And the property could JUST AS EASY offer tower access for $7.50, instead of requiring it.

And they could just as easily not include Tower Access in their resort fee and claim the $7.50 resort fee was for the mundane other crap they include like Pool Access, Local and 800 calls, Fitness Center Access...maybe even throw in a 50 cent newspaper....But then, the Vast Majority of Strat Guests who take advantage of Tower Access wouldn't be saving up to $56.00 in Unlimited Daily Tower Access.

I suspect that at some point, they'll figure they are losing money on their Resort Fee and will either raise it significantly or remove Tower Access from it. In the meantime it's a boon for the consumer.

Now, The Sun Coast's $5.00 fee isn't bad...even though it includes stuff that could easily be seperated out and charged ala cart. It's only 5 bucks and there is some value there. It may be the 3rd best...behind the completely optional TI Fees and the Strat's $7.50 fee that includes most of the same stuff + Unlimited Tower Access.

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