"X" a/k/a The Harrah's Rincon million $$ drawings

What Arc is saying is correct. But if you arrive at 10pm only one drawing is left and you lost out on the previous $50,000 of prizes meaning that you've lost out on half of the prize money available. Arc, I am sure, read my full report.

At my local Harrahs, when one swipes their card to activate their entries in a drawing, they are eligible for all drawings from that point forward until the last item is given away.

As long as someone activates their entries before the cutoff time for the 11 pm drawing, they are eligible to participate in the 11 pm drawing. For some drawings, the rules state entries must be activated by a specific time for one to be eligible.

I'm still confused.

I thought there was only one Saturday per month drawing for $50K, and other promotional drawings on those Saturdays were for minimal amounts... ($1K) which would hardly impact the results of the proverbial high roller, who was going to play Tuesdays for 3x entries, and show up one Saturday night per month for the $50K drawing.

At least, that's what I remember the original thread as mentioning.

Once again, it seems that someone failed to provide complete information, or should I say error by omission?

Of course, full and complete details would not be quite as "sensational" from a news point of view.

The high rollers are also eligible for the other $50, 000 drawings on the last saturday. Are you suggesting these drawings are not part of this advantage play?

The fine print rules are making harder for casual gamblers to get in on the action. Each drawing missed obviously decreases chances for low rollers to win anything. As I said at the start this is a promotion high rollers are sure to dominate.

NO, I am not suggesting that the other $50K are not part of an advantage play.

And any missed drawing decreases any eligible players chance to win. Whether the casual gambler, or the high roller. And, if you look around, you'll see those "casual gamblers" using the same tactics as the high rollers for drawings. I do not see how the fine print rules are making it harder for casual gamblers to get in on the action.

However, I do want to point out that when you first wrote about this "Ultimate Advantage Play", you stated that a high roller would play on Tuesday for 3x entries, and than be there the last Saturday of the month for the $50K drawing, and the million dollar drawing at the end of the year.

I just wanted to emphasize to you the reason why, when you write about something, I doubt your credibility and veracity, is because information provided by you is more often than not, inaccurate, incorrect, or just plain wrong.

The high roller AP would, according to the originally "play" in your first message, play xx hours one day per week for 3x entries at a very small (0.5% or less HA), and than show up for one drawing once per month. 52 weeks with 10-12 hours of play, and 12 weeks with a 1-2 hour on property for drawings, for an approximate total number of hours of 532 to 648 hours on the premises during the year leading to the big drawing for this one year long advantage play.

Now, to gain the "maximum" AP, that high roller apparently needs to be on property for 12+ hours on the drawing days, (or arrive, swipe to activate entries, than return later) IF your "information" is now accurate and correct.

You have just added another 120 hours or more to the "original" advantage play. THAT many additional hours certainly impacts the working AP, and is something that, I believe, should be factored into the equation before starting. Our mythical high roller is now "working" up to 768 hours during the year.

This small error impacts the hourly earn for our AP by a significant amount. IT decreases the hourly win, and/or decreases an hourly loss.

You often announce things as fact when they are, at best, speculation. You fail in due diligence in your "reporting", and it happens often.

I do not doubt you intentions are good, but you fail miserably when it comes to "fact", details, strategy, etc.

Gee, Road Trip, you lost me. I never said anything about the number of hours needed to win this, or what an hourly rate was. Frankly, all those numbers you mentioned above are strictly yours and they are certainly not mine.

All I said from the beginning was that the $100 Aces and Faces machine play at 99.26% plus the free play and the exchange of comps for additional free play and/or gas cards, Macy Gift Cards or Visa cards (Rincon has added Visa cards to comp redemptions), and starting April 1st 7 Star Players get a preferred rate for exchanging comps for free plays -- (I wrote about this exclusive information on that other website that I am not allowed to mention or else I will be labeled a spammer by the Forum Police) -- these high rollers will have a positive play as well as an edge on the drawings. That was my entire point.

I did not specify any amount of time played per month but did note that a high roller could get triple entries on Tuesdays.

Of course the "advantage player / hgh roller" would be more likely to arrive early on Saturday and swipe their card and have an advantage over casual players who perhaps don't have the time to arrive early. And that is simply another advantage for the high rollers. Which was my point from the start-- high rollers will dominate this, and now that we see the fine print (not previously available and certainly not in any signage around the casino or on radio and TV ads here in SoCal) it becomes even more clear that high rollers will dominate.

I found out new information and I posted it. And the new information only cements my previous beliefs. Is there a more complete explanation of the promotion any where else? If so, I would certainly like to read it.

While I never thought I had a real chance at this promotion, I have put on about 52,000 points so far this month and I was thinking of giving it a "try" by showing up late Saturday night, before the 11pm drawing. I thought that just by playing during the month I would automatically be entered in the hourly drawings that start at 1-PM. In fact, I won previous $1,000 free play drawings -- and my host called me when my name was drawn -- and I drove down to pick up my free play before 11pm. But this contest is different, and now I know I won't be automatically entered into those earlier hourly drawings and to be entered I would have to swipe my card no later than 12:45pm on Saturday to be eligible for all of them, and the later I arrive the fewer drawings I will be eligible for. Well, I'll be working during the day Saturday and probably won't make it to the casino until about 10pm-ish meaning I lose out on $50-thou of hourly drawings despite all of my play (which by the way is more than one-third of what is required for 7Stars with the new higher requirements).

I know you doubt my credibility but nothing I say will change that. But I will let you sit there in South Florida, and criticize all of my information about Rincon, because I am sure you know better, even though I play at Rincon about twice a week and I doubt you've ever been in the joint.

An update: the first monthly drawings were Saturday night. A high roller won three of the $1,000 free play drawings plus the $50,000 cash main prize. I estimate the high roller had at least 6% of the total entries and perhaps at least 12% of the total entries. She might have had more depending on her actual play and if she played on Tuesdays when entries were tripled.