There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

MIT Economist Jon Gruber, who helped Mitt Romney write his Massachusetts health law, has analyzed Obamacare's Winners and Losers. Here's a chart of his findings:



For a guy who hates America as much as President Obama does, he sure does suck at destroying it. Stock market set a record high two days ago, Iraq war is over and Afghanistan is ending, deficit cut by more than half since 2009, and now only 3% of Americans are being forced to buy health insurance plans that are much better than their expiring joke plans that don't cover anything?

I may have to rethink my support for this guy.

I agree with you Doc, Obama has lied but can you name one politician that has not told a lie to further his or her agenda?

So the guy who helped design obamacare does a study that it will work. Not much of a surprise there.

DonDiego apologizes, . . . but such a request cannot be fulfilled.

pjstroh is under an incorrect perception that Congress actually writes Laws. Congresspeople are above such mundane tasks. Congress just writes 2000 page outlines, . . . or sets of objectives, . . . or suggestions, . . . or things that sound nice - like the word "Affordable", . . . and then the regulators write 20,000+ pages (so far) of detailed instructions on how to implement the Congressional suggestions. That's where the work gets done.

From The Federal Register/Vol. 75, No. 116/Thursday, June 17, 2010/Rules and Regulations/pages 34538 through 34569 :
"The statute [the ACA] does not, however, address at what point changes to a group health plan or health insurance coverage in which an individual was enrolled on March 23, 2010 are significant enough to cause the plan or health insurance coverage to cease to be a grandfathered health plan, leaving that question to be addressed by regulatory guidance."

"leaving that question to be addressed by regulatory guidance" means, well, . . . whatever the folks writing the regulatory guidance want it to mean.
It does not mean "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance, . . . PERIOD."

DonDiego invites pjstroh to read the reference, . . . there's lots of things in there addressing how grandfathered health care plans can be eliminated, . . . things like specified deductibles, copayments, and out-of- pocket limits, . . or changes in things like employer contributions, etc., etc., etc.. And how Union-negotiated plans will remain grandfathered until the end of the current contract. [Once the Unions realized this some of them decided they didn't want Obamacare after all.]

And lots of estimates on just how many grandfathered health care plans will "go away", as pjstroh phrases it.
[n.b. The estimate was that from "40 percent to 67 percent" of grandfathered Individual Health Care Plans would "go away" by 2013. In 2010 the Obama Administration knew most of the grandfathered plans would be gone. Indeed, if these plans "go away" that means some people cannot "keep their health insurance, . . . PERIOD."]

The real political agenda is to get people off "sub-standard" plans that do not pay for things like abortions, sex change operations, Viagra, and penile implants.

What if I don't want (or need) those things - I gotta pay for yours!

If this is "progress", please let me stay where I am ---- but that is not an option with the "Affordable ;-)" Care Act. So much for living in a free country.


If you want your coverage, you can keep your coverage Period!
We must pass this before we read it.

Same stupid argument people use against:

Wars that pacifists are forced to help pay for.

Medical research that Christian Scientists are forced to help pay for.

Public schools that childless couples are forced to help pay for.

Coast Guards that mountain dwellers are forced to help pay for.

Death sentences that Catholics are forced to help pay for.

Meat inspections that vegetarians are forced to help pay for.

Air traffic controllers that aviophobes are forced to help pay for.

Fire departments that arsonists are forced to help pay for.

Think of your own, it's fun illustrating how stupid an argument jphelan just made!

Chilly - I couldn't resist, I had to log off to see what you said even though I normally have you on ignore.

So you are comparing the "arsonists" paying for a fire department to this current situation? Is that your twisted logic?

When arsonists are paying for a fire department, they are paying for services clearly in the best interest of society at large. How is my paying for your "dick pills" or sex change good for society at large? How is my paying for the murder of a 25 month fetus good for society at large?

Clearly we have the wrong people deciding what is good for the society at large ---- all an argument for smaller government - clearly a foreign concept to you.

Federal support of clean water and AIDS prevention measures in Africa through the US Global Health Initiative that Klansmen are forced to help pay for.

I think what you need here is a really catchy slogan. How about:

Obama lied - and a pre-existing condition will no longer drive you into bankruptcy.

or:

Obama lied - and now millions more children can get dental care.

or

Obama lied - and over half of uninsured single young adults can get health insurance for under $50.

or

Obama lied - and Death Panels!

I know, I know. They need a little work.

Well, there goes my theory that jphelan surely must know something.