There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Any policy that was cancelled was done by the voluntary decision of the Insurance Company - not a mandated requirement from the government.

So the only question remaining is the costs of the new plans replacing them. We'll have the statistical data by March. SO far Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto haven't found any real life anecdotes of this happening...so they've resorted to fabricating some.

The Washington Post disagrees with pjstroh.

In an article entitled "This is Why Obamacare is Canceling Some People’s Insurance Plans" they pose the question and answer:
"What does this have to do with Obamacare?
Pretty much everything: Since the health-care law required insurance companies to change their plans, this is a direct result of the Affordable Care Act."

They also include a link to an Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield letter cancelling a policy which begins:
"Changes from health care reform (also called the Affordable Care Act or ACA) continue to take effect in 2014. To meet the requirements of the new laws, your current plan can no longer be continued beyond your 2014 renewal date . . . . ."

Actually DonDiego heard Ms. Sibelius confirm the cancellation effects of the ACA in yesterday's testimony before Congress. Specifically a Congressman stated that the insurance plans which had been grandfathered-in, as promised by President Obama, were subject to losing their grandfather-status if the price ever changed by as little as $1.00. Ms. Sibelius corrected him stating that the threshold was, in fact, $5.00.
If an insurance company can never adjust the price by more than $5, let alone alter coverages . . . this effectively means none of the grandfathered plans have any chance of surviving the implementation of Obamacare.

So, . . . the insurance companies say it, . . . the Washington Post says it, . . . and Secretary Sibelius confirms it.

The bottom line: If ObamaCare had not become law, these plans would have persisted with annual changes just as they always have. Obamacare is the direct cause of their cancellation. Citizens who were promised they could keep their healthcare plans "PERIOD, . . . NO MATTER WHAT" cannot.

President Obama lied.




Yesterday someome shared an article (an rather left-slanted op/ed piece from the NY Post), in which the writer referred to Obama's "If you like your insurance, you can keep it" declaration as an "unfortunate blanket statement". LOL.



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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Any policy that was cancelled was done by the voluntary decision of the Insurance Company - not a mandated requirement from the government.

So the only question remaining is the costs of the new plans replacing them. We'll have the statistical data by March. SO far Sean Hannity and Neil Cavuto haven't found any real life anecdotes of this happening...so they've resorted to fabricating some.

The Washington Post disagrees with pjstroh.

In an article entitled "This is Why Obamacare is Canceling Some People’s Insurance Plans" they pose the question and answer:
"What does this have to do with Obamacare?
Pretty much everything: Since the health-care law required insurance companies to change their plans, this is a direct result of the Affordable Care Act."

They also include a link to an Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield letter cancelling a policy which begins:
"Changes from health care reform (also called the Affordable Care Act or ACA) continue to take effect in 2014. To meet the requirements of the new laws, your current plan can no longer be continued beyond your 2014 renewal date . . . . ."

Actually DonDiego heard Ms. Sibelius confirm the cancellation effects of the ACA in yesterday's testimony before Congress. Specifically a Congressman stated that the insurance plans which had been grandfathered-in, as promised by President Obama, were subject to losing their grandfather-status if the price ever changed by as little as $1.00. Ms. Sibelius corrected him stating that the threshold was, in fact, $5.00.
If an insurance company can never adjust the price by more than $5, let alone alter coverages . . . this effectively means none of the grandfathered plans have any chance of surviving the implementation of Obamacare.

So, . . . the insurance companies say it, . . . the Washington Post says it, . . . and Secretary Sibelius confirms it.

The bottom line: If ObamaCare had not become law, these plans would have persisted with annual changes just as they always have. Obamacare is the direct cause of their cancellation. Citizens who were promised they could keep their healthcare plans "PERIOD, . . . NO MATTER WHAT" cannot.

President Obama lied.




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Originally posted by: DonDiego
...The bottom line: If ObamaCare had not become law, these plans would have persisted with annual changes just as they always have. Obamacare is the direct cause of their cancellation. Citizens who were promised they could keep their healthcare plans "PERIOD, . . . NO MATTER WHAT" cannot...
But in almost every case - according to Consumer Reports (see, above) - costs are NOT going up for this more complete insurance.

So this is just another "you didn't build that" gotcha.

Don Diego seems to struggle reading his own article...
Maybe if he posts enough pinnochio's then nobody will bother to read.


"Some -- or maybe even most -- of the plans offered on the individual insurance market right now don't meet certain requirements in the health-care law. They may not offer preventive care without co-payment, for example, or leave out coverage of maternity care, one of the health-care law's 10 essential benefits.

Some of these plans have stuck around for a little bit. The health law allowed plans that existed back in March 2010, when it became a law, to keep selling coverage. These are known as "grandfathered plans:" They don't meet the health law's requirements, but as long as they don't change much, insurers can keep offering them.

Insurance companies typically do like to change their insurance plans, making changes to cost-sharing or the benefits they offer. That means that grandfathered plans have disappeared.

........

Don Diego's article reiterrates exactly what I said in my post.



Here's a pretty good article on the whole "if you are happy with with your..." bit. Spells it out prety simply.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's soothing promise that Americans happy with their health insurance could simply keep it was doomed from the start, and everyone familiar with the market seemed to recognize that except the president. Even his aides said four years ago, early in the huge push for his health care law, that he wasn't to be taken literally on that point...

https://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_OVERHAUL_THAT_PROMISE?SITE=SCAND&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The health law allowed plans that existed back in March 2010, when it became a law, to keep selling coverage. These are known as "grandfathered plans:" They don't meet the health law's requirements, but as long as they don't change much, insurers can keep offering them.

Ahhhhh, . . . there's the rub.

If President Obama had said "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance, . . . as long as 'it doesn't change much' ", he would not have lied as much. But he didn't say that, . . . PERIOD.

"In July 2010, . . . the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, 'if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,' was still saying in 2012, 'If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.' ”
Ref: NBC News [Of course, everyone knows NBC News is chock full of Obama haters.]
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Originally posted by: forkushV
But in almost every case - according to Consumer Reports (see, above) - costs are NOT going up for this more complete insurance.

Had President Obama said: ""If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance, . . . unless the Government compels you by law to purchase a different policy that Consumer Reports will state is more complete and cheaper", . . . he would not have lied. But he didn't.

It is sort of like when GHW Bush said read my lips no new taxes. Obama shouldn't have made such a blanket statement. New polling shows he is paying a price for it.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
The health law allowed plans that existed back in March 2010, when it became a law, to keep selling coverage. These are known as "grandfathered plans:" They don't meet the health law's requirements, but as long as they don't change much, insurers can keep offering them.

Ahhhhh, . . . there's the rub.

If President Obama had said "If you like your health insurance, you can keep your health insurance, . . . as long as 'it doesn't change much' ", he would not have lied as much. But he didn't say that, . . . PERIOD.

"In July 2010, . . . the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, 'if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,' was still saying in 2012, 'If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.' ”
Ref: NBC News [Of course, everyone knows NBC News is chock full of Obama haters.]


If your insurance plan changes "much" then your insurance plan is not the same plan you had before, is it?

I'm waiting for Don Diego to show me the part of the law that mandates the grandfathered plans go away. Otherwise we should assign some of those pinochios to his posts saying otherwise
pj- you can dissect the words any way you want, it does not change the fact that Obama lied. Now take your liberalize and blow some more smoke about the facts. Face it, your pathetic choice for President is a liar. Or, as Obama likes to say, more "change you can believe in".
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