There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

Let the rationalization begin! That took all of 15 minutes.

Last week you complained about the president's unfulffilled promise. Now you complain that he intends to fullfill it! I would think someone who legitimally recognized your orginal gripe would view this as a positve development. But it appears that you, Don Diego, and Jphelan have already pivoted to a new attack position.

And we are completely shocked.

Lets hope Anthony deletes all those threads from the last 2 weeks. They undermine your newly found outrage at the president for agreeing with you.

I am not complaining, but obama is inconsistent as usual. First he says that the law couldn't be changed. Then he says that there weren't that many plans affected and they were junk. You and your 2 buddies parrotted those lines.

Today he completely changes course. Just shows that the white house has no clue what is going on

DonDiego cannot speak for others.

But in DonDiego's case, pjstroh is mistaken.


DonDiego has steadfastly opposed the Affordable Care Act [ACA].

DonDiego has always favored permitting anyone with health insurance to retain the plan they prefer. [One intent of the ACA was to eliminate any plans which do not meet all the specifications of Obamacare; in spite of the “grandfather issue” the administration knew millions of policies would be cancelled even if people wanted to keep them. This has been documented repeatedly within this thread.]

DonDiego always supports adherence to The Constitution of the United States. [If one wishes to pass legislation or otherwise act in violation of the Constitution, DonDiego would prefer adherence to the provisions to amend the Constitution. These provisions to change the Constitution are intentionally difficult; that is a primary reason they are preferred over just using "Executive Authority" or "Congressional Authority" to ignore it.]

DonDiego has always supported the Rule of Law, . . . not the Rule of Men. [Until or unless the ACA is voided or declared illegal by the courts, this applies even to Obamacare.]


DonDiego suggests the President’s executive discretionary powers do not permit him to permit direct violations of the law.

As of 1 January 2014 The Affordable Care Act expressly forbids insurance companies to sell the plans which do not meet the ACA specifications, . . . unless the plan was grandfathered and NO changes were made to the plan since the passage of the ACA. President Obama now says HE will "permit" them to be sold in violation of the ACA as passed by Congress and signed by the President.
DonDiego suggests the President’s executive powers do no permit him to simple declare provisions of the law invalid on a whim.

Others have already taken notice:

"So I personally believe, even if it takes a change to the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got."
__President William Clinton, 12 November 2013

“I wonder if he has the legal authority to do this, since this was a congressional bill that set this up”
__ Howard Dean, 14 November 2013

“We have our own proposal, which we think is really good. I think that we’ll see in the next 24, 48, 36 hours something to the effect of how do we accommodate those people [who have faced cancellation of their health plans]”
__Representative Nancy Pelosi, 14 November 2013


DonDiego’s opinion, . . . just another tactic to keep the farce that is Obamacare going as long as the Administration can.
And find someone else to blame.

Say President Obama does permit the Insurance Companies to keep the illegal policies in force, . . . and, say, the insurance companies decide not to do so, perhaps because it is not in their interest.
All of a sudden: “IT’S THE INSURANCE COMPANIES’ FAULT ! ! !”

Say the Congressional Democrats do introduce “amendments” to cover the President’s ass permitting policies illegal as of 1 January 2014 to be legal once again.
And, say, the Republicans do not go along.
All of a sudden: “IT’S THE REPUBLICANS’ FAULT ! ! !”

DonDiego says: "No. It has been, . . . it is now, . . . and it always will be the fault of Obamacare."

If the Congress and Courts allow the President to unilaterally violate a Law without opposition, . . . even if the Law's provisions are stupid or punitive or simply wrong, . . . where will they draw the line.

Seems to me that the President's announcement today is little more than a political fix meant to give Democrats cover while the website is fixed. I don't think that insurers will be excited about renewing these nonconforming policies that are set to expire in the next year.

The pathetic website will be fixed and people who need to get their insurance that route will be very pleased.

In the end we'll have a much better system. But we sure could have used some competence in this rollout, it's definitely been awful.

It is actually laughable. Even when Obama agrees with them and tries to right a wrong they still have to bash his actions. I swear he could cure every disease known to man and give us each a million dollars out of his own pocket and they would still find fault with his actions. More than likely they would complain about all of the doctors and insurance companies he put out of business. As stated above it is truly laughable.

You had simple old Tutontow agreeing with. I thought you were writing about President Cheney. Now you have me all confused.

Thank you for proving my point. You do not like the law. Trust me, I know. You tell us daily.
And you've covered all your bases so that no matter how the law plays out you'll have a rationalized reason to not like it....even if it contradicts the reason you made last week.

Last week you showed the injustice of a woman in California whose policy was being cancelled. And then you used all kinds of awesome Orwellian images to demonstrate your feelings about the government forcing people into the new plans. Today the president offered to oblige your concerns...

So now its time to change the subject and move on to plan "B" in Don Diego's playbook of unconditional oppossition to the current administration. Stay tuned. He is actively fishing for some photos from "Hate Week" to demonstrate his new outrage about the president extending an olive branch to the woman from DD's orginal gripe.

I wonder... how many people on this site have actually been on the ACA website. How many have had to find a new policy ? Was the new policy less expensive ? Were the deductibles less ? How about the maximum out of pocket expenses ? Bob

"I don't think that insurers will be excited about renewing these nonconforming"

I am sure they were making money on those policies

Bob you have got to be joking that would require actual effort on peoples part. It is much easier just to listen to talking points on the radio or a certain TV station dedicated to tearing down the president and then come on here and complain and argue. Hell many here obviously have never heard of Google.