There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

I agree that it's meaningless to speak solely in terms of premiums OR subsidies, when they go together, like the price of a steak dinner at The Flame paid for with the MRB coupon.

However, you've grossly overstated your case. According to the article you posted, 2/3 of the Californians who buy their policies in the individual market do not qualify for subsidies. Again, according to your article, only 900,000 Californians buy such policies.

There are 38 million Californians. So only 2.3% of them are in that market, and so only 1.6 percent of Californians are going into the market to buy individual policies without subsidies. Let's not pretend their experience is common.

And to put that Forbes article to bed, let's look nationally. About 15 million people currently purchase health insurance on their own, using the individual market. And about 70 percent of them -- about 10.8 million people -- will qualify for the financial help buying coverage under the health-care law.

Very few Americans will buy insurance on the open market without subsidies, perhaps just 4.35 million in a nation of 314 million, meaning 1.4%. That's not zero, but it's also not much. The tactics of Obamacare's critics includes hoping people think that these people's individual stories are representative of what's generally true for most Americans - they're not.

Umm, I don't believe my opinions have changed one bit, since before the govt. shutdown, during and now. I was in favor of not caving on just arbitrarily raising the debt ceiling. I could give a shit about the ACA nonsense, I knew it was gonna be funded.

As far as ACA goes, I've always thought it was a bad piece of legislation since it [ahem] became public. I have to admit I chuckled when it fell flat on its' face oct 1. but since the millions of policys (that the vast majority were happy with) that were cancelled and the lack of people who've been able to sign up it's not that funny anymore. So you can say I have changed my opinion since it launched, I now think its an absolutely horrible law that is hurting the country far worse than I thought it would. Will it get any better?

This is where speculation does come in but I don't think it'll be rocket science.Actually the ins. co.s will already have a pretty good semblence of what the actuary tables will be for 2015 by next summer I would imagine. The hammer's gonna fall if enrollment numbers stay dismally low and there's not many "young'ns" in the exchanges. If people think rates are high now, just wait til they get published. They'll truly be unaffordable.

Currently the law has worked and is still working to make the insured the uninsured. I have to tell tell ya, this is aMIGHTY BIG SHIP to turn around, it's a bit bigger than the titanic.

J

"Or as Pat Buchanan put it: 'Two days ago panicked Democrats looked over the railing and saw Bill Clinton rowing away in a lifeboat.' ”
__Washington Post, 14 Nov 2013

When the opposition thinks it's wise to quote Pat Buchanan, well, that's a pretty good sign of victory.

OK, here's food for thought and I wonder what the honest replies might be..

And I'll quit with a giggle

What we have learned so far

Health care is expensive

Medical insurance is expensive

Increasing insurance coverage costs more

obamacare does not solve the issue that 5% of Americans incur almost 30% of the expenses

According to the govt 60% of people could lose their health care next year!

And obama changes the rules again to help his union buddies

The Obama administration is being accused of giving labor groups "special treatment under the law" after formally proposing a change that could exempt union health plans from a pesky ObamaCare fee.

Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., who flagged the obscure rule change after it was filed in the Federal Register (see page 70), blasted the exemption as "crony capitalism at its worst."

"Unions are now experiencing the ugly reality of this law, and they want out," he said in a statement.
Indeed, the AFL-CIO has fought against what is known as the "reinsurance fee" in the Affordable Care Act. The temporary fee would kick in next year and is meant to raise $25 billion over three years, to help pay for the cost of people with pre-existing conditions signing up for coverage through the ObamaCare exchanges

Fox Business

Which government is that? Somalia?

Oh, and "could"? Well, 100% of people "could" suddenly get bad face tattoos next year too.



More unsourced, make-believe bullshit from (the increasingly desperate) hoops2.