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There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

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BobOrme

Dec 10, 2013
4:05pm

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: malibber2
What good is insurance if you can't afford to use it?

Let's take a similar situation to what your wife experienced. Let's say the hospital checks you out, and it's looking like $100,000 for the procedure and treatment.

1. With no insurance: When they ask you how you are going to pay, you have a case of the giggles - like you did with your wife's situation - and tell them they will be stiffed.

2. With Obamacare: You tell them you are broke, but that insurance will come up with about $94,000, and you will make arrangements to pay the rest.

Under which scenario do you think that the hospital will provide better treatment? Silly me, but I think that hospitals and other providers respond to financial incentives and disincentives. And no insurance sounds like a way to get substandard care, and is a stupid bet.

So....hospitals and doctors will base the quality of care delivered on the amount of coverage a patient has.

hoops2

Dec 10, 2013
9:04pm

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Apparently volunteer firemen now come under the mandate. So even if you don't get paid you are considered an employee and gets mandated health care.

malibber2

Dec 11, 2013
3:24am

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Here is how that works Forkie. If you're in the hospital and they are coming around to your room to ask about financial arrangements what that means is they are already treating you because you have some sort of medical emergency. It makes no difference what you tell them about insurance at that point as they are obligated to treat you. The standard of care is the same because of malpractice worries especially if they know you are educated and they can't pull the wool over your eyes. Now let me tell you how it works if you have one of those Obamacare policies with a $5k to 10k deductible. If you go for a non emergency treatment say some outpatient surgery, to get treatments in a specialists office or get some kind of medical tests. They scan the insurance card and see that big fat deductible and say how do you plan to pay for that today? If you're not capable of fronting the deductible you don't get the treatment. So for all practical purposes it is just like you don't have any insurance.

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: malibber2
What good is insurance if you can't afford to use it?

forkushV

Dec 11, 2013
3:34am

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Originally posted by: BobOrme

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: malibber2
What good is insurance if you can't afford to use it?
Let's take a similar situation to what your wife experienced. Let's say the hospital checks you out, and it's looking like $100,000 for the procedure and treatment.

1. With no insurance: When they ask you how you are going to pay, you have a case of the giggles - like you did with your wife's situation - and tell them they will be stiffed.

2. With Obamacare: You tell them you are broke, but that insurance will come up with about $94,000, and you will make arrangements to pay the rest.

Under which scenario do you think that the hospital will provide better treatment? Silly me, but I think that hospitals and other providers respond to financial incentives and disincentives. And no insurance sounds like a way to get substandard care, and is a stupid bet.

So....hospitals and doctors will base the quality of care delivered on the amount of coverage a patient has.

That question is so naive it's almost touching.

esteskefauver

Dec 11, 2013
6:15am

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I think I've been too harsh on this Obamacare. My shoulder has been bothering me for about a year. I might can heal it with rest and light exercises, but to be on the safe I should see if surgery is needed. If so I'll be signing up for coverage and pay premiums until it's healed. Thanks Obama! Luckily, for the taxpayers I'm probably the only one in the US who can take advantage of Obamacare in this way.

Lee O

Dec 11, 2013
6:47am

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Isn't it all fixed, Obamacare is up and running, flawless, acording to our Leader !!!

BobOrme

Dec 11, 2013
8:48am

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Originally posted by: forkushV

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: malibber2
What good is insurance if you can't afford to use it?
Let's take a similar situation to what your wife experienced. Let's say the hospital checks you out, and it's looking like $100,000 for the procedure and treatment.

1. With no insurance: When they ask you how you are going to pay, you have a case of the giggles - like you did with your wife's situation - and tell them they will be stiffed.

2. With Obamacare: You tell them you are broke, but that insurance will come up with about $94,000, and you will make arrangements to pay the rest.

Under which scenario do you think that the hospital will provide better treatment? Silly me, but I think that hospitals and other providers respond to financial incentives and disincentives. And no insurance sounds like a way to get substandard care, and is a stupid bet.

So....hospitals and doctors will base the quality of care delivered on the amount of coverage a patient has.

That question is so naive it's almost touching.

It wasn't a question.

Ellen Locke

Dec 11, 2013
9:14am

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I realize y'all are on Page 34 of this thread, but I just can't formulate an opinion on this topic. Would you folks please continue to post so I can make up my mind. Thank you in advance.

hoops2

Dec 11, 2013
9:58pm

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Originally posted by: EllenMonster
I realize y'all are on Page 34 of this thread, but I just can't formulate an opinion on this topic. Would you folks please continue to post so I can make up my mind. Thank you in advance.

I will try

Don

Dec 12, 2013
2:16am

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TENTH AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION
X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The South Carolina Billl H3101 - “The South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act” - is set to be fast-tracked when the Senate comes back into session in January 2014.
The main segment of the bill says that “No agency of the State, officer or employee of this State, acting on behalf of the state, may engage in an activity that aids any agency in the enforcement of those provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 and any subsequent federal act that amends the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 that exceed the authority of the United States Constitution.”

Supporters who introduced the law did so on the basis of the concept of state nullification which they claim is part of their 10th Amendment right to state sovereignty under the United States Constitution, and which they claim allows states to deem a federal law null and void inside their borders.

Ref: Ballot News

The Bill was passed by the South Carolina House on 13 May 2013. Given the present debacle that is Obamacare, the delay in introducing it for Senate consideration likely has increased the chance of passage.

"February 9, 1776
Col. Gadsden presented to the [Provincial] Congress [of South Carolina] an elegant standard, such as is to be used by the Commander in Chief of the American Navy, being a yellow field, with a lively representation of a rattlesnake in the middle in the attitude of going to strike and these words underneath, 'Don't tread on me.'
Ordered, that the said standard be carefully preserved and suspended in the Congress room."

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