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BobOrme
BobOrme
Sep 14, 2013
4:26pm
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Death Panels! Aw now your getting me all nostalgic.

I mean, remember "palling around with terrorists," born in Kenya, the secret Muslim, Sharia Law, teleprompters, Michelle's "kill whitey" tape, and the Black Panthers. So many memories.


Like clockwork, more deflection.

Do tell. If someone 78 years old is diagnosed with acute leukemia, will Obamacare pay for a bone marrow transplant for that person? or chemotherapy? or will it provide a list of hospice facilities as the only healthcare option?


At what age do we stop doing everything possible and spend thousands or millions of dollars to extend someone's life a few months vs not spending the money and letting them die with only palliative care?

Is that decision a death panel or simply a tough decision?


The question is, WHO should make all of those decisions? Denying that those decisions will be made by people other than the patients, family members or even personal physicians is false. Those decisions will be standardized and those standards will be set by panels. I suspect those standards would be reasonable in most cases, but to deny that they will/do exist bothers me.
BobOrme
BobOrme
Sep 14, 2013
4:30pm
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https://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/carville.asp[/L] says BobOrme fell for another falsehood. Anyone keeping count?


Might as well quote the DailyKos. Snopes is not a reliable source.
Okay, I'll bite. Please name the reliable source that claims the quote is truthful.

(This should be funny.)

The horse's mouth. Show me Carville denying that he said it.
Dan Svatass
Dan Svatass
Sep 14, 2013
5:40pm
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Do tell. If someone 78 years old is diagnosed with acute leukemia, will Obamacare pay for a bone marrow transplant for that person? or chemotherapy? or will it provide a list of hospice facilities as the only healthcare option?
The health care that 78 year old Americans receive is called Medicare. The program is about 50 years old.

That you don't know this explains pretty much everything with you.

A Forkish-like deflection, as if Obamacare has nothing to do with Medicare. The two are intertwined in a number of ways and Obamacare actually takes money from Medicare. Show me anything that states seniors don't have to buy insurance or pay a penalty under Obamacare. Show me a cutoff age.
I wish BobOrme just had the common sense to realize he just wrote something dumb and admit how stupid it is to think that Obamacare is meant to replace Medicare for a 78 year old cancer patient.

But that would require self-awareness.
nancysee
nancysee
Sep 14, 2013
7:15pm
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They still don't accept that President Obama passed Obamacare, then was re-elected in a landslide.



You expose your own credibility with that pathetic comment:

1. The Kenyan-in-chief was re-elected with a whopping 51% of the vote, winning 26 states and losing 24.
Landslide?
2. Outside of Mexifornia, the majority of those of us in the other 49 states voted AGAINST the klepto-in-chief.
3. He became the ONLY Democrat in American history to be elected with over 230 Republicans in the House.
How did he do it? With millions of the ghetto/barrio "base" voting
"early and often".

Oh, and given his current
approval rating
the party of pimps, crackheads and ho's is headed for yet another ass whupping next year which may have them looking at 2010 with nostalgia.

jatki
jatki
Sep 15, 2013
4:35am
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Do tell. If someone 78 years old is diagnosed with acute leukemia, will Obamacare pay for a bone marrow transplant for that person? or chemotherapy? or will it provide a list of hospice facilities as the only healthcare option?
The health care that 78 year old Americans receive is called Medicare. The program is about 50 years old.

That you don't know this explains pretty much everything with you.

A Forkish-like deflection, as if Obamacare has nothing to do with Medicare. The two are intertwined in a number of ways and Obamacare actually takes money from Medicare. Show me anything that states seniors don't have to buy insurance or pay a penalty under Obamacare. Show me a cutoff age.


Medicare is absolutely being affected by obamacare. For dialysis patients, its an across the board 18% cut for treatments. What this means,for my clinic and I suspect others, is that they will be turning awayalmost al medicaid patients.Reasonbeing is clinics only make good money on the fully insured, a coupla dollars on medicare andbreak even but mostly lose money onmedicaid patients. My clinic is about half illegals with a few poor folks, rest are medicare with a few insured.

Ive gotta say,no one can accuse fresinius of being greedy bean counters,they relly try not to turn anyone away, but thats going tochange.

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jatki
jatki
Sep 15, 2013
4:51am
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I should add other than the medicare cuts, my clinic director and those above her, really are kinda clueless how obamacar is really going to work. I think that goes for most of the country as well.
Don
Don
Sep 15, 2013
8:12am
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. . . my clinic director and those above her, really are kinda clueless how obamacar is really going to work. I think that goes for most of the country as well.

DonDiego's family physician figured it out.
He is closing his private practice and becoming a "hospitalist" - a physician employed by a hospital.

" . . . no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."
__President Barack Obama, 15 June 2009

He failed to add: "except for poor old DonDiego", . . . pr'bly an inadvertent error.


drmilled
drmilled
Sep 15, 2013
9:14am
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" . . . no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."
__President Barack Obama, 15 June 2009 ------ Once again, your President caught in another set of lies. How do you like your POTUS now?
forkushV
forkushV
Sep 15, 2013
9:47am
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I have an acquaintance whose doctor recently passed away. Thanks Obama!
snidely333
snidely333
Sep 15, 2013
12:27pm
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Death Panels! Aw now your getting me all nostalgic.

I mean, remember "palling around with terrorists," born in Kenya, the secret Muslim, Sharia Law, teleprompters, Michelle's "kill whitey" tape, and the Black Panthers. So many memories.


Like clockwork, more deflection.

Do tell. If someone 78 years old is diagnosed with acute leukemia, will Obamacare pay for a bone marrow transplant for that person? or chemotherapy? or will it provide a list of hospice facilities as the only healthcare option?


At what age do we stop doing everything possible and spend thousands or millions of dollars to extend someone's life a few months vs not spending the money and letting them die with only palliative care?

Is that decision a death panel or simply a tough decision?


The question is, WHO should make all of those decisions? Denying that those decisions will be made by people other than the patients, family members or even personal physicians is false. Those decisions will be standardized and those standards will be set by panels. I suspect those standards would be reasonable in most cases, but to deny that they will/do exist bothers me.


Again a tough decision. If it costs a million dollars to keep a loved one alive for 1 month - how many people can make a logical decision under the duress that a dying loved one brings? Every now and then you read about a family that refuses to remove a loved one from the machine keeping them alive even though there's no chance for to regain consciousness.

Tough decisions need to be made. Calling the decision making process a "death panel" is merely hyperbole to discredit Obamacare.

Personally, the so called "living will" which basically will allow the hospital let someone die instead of living in a vegetative state should be the standard of care and not an opt-in option.
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