Union plans third picket of Cosmopolitan on Las Vegas Strip

Cosmo could make some money if it tried to be more of a casino and less of a high priced party place for Hollywood pretty people.
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.

History looks less fondly upon uncivil disobedience ....like sending Ricin letters to the president to protest 2nd Ammendment restrictions, for example
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.

History looks less fondly upon uncivil disobedience ....like sending Ricin letters to the president to protest 2nd Ammendment restrictions, for example


History looks favorably, at least to most Americans, at the dumping of the tea into Boston Harbor in 1773. That was certainly uncivil disobedience.

Wait, what does this have to do with the picket at the Cosmo?
I've never been that interested in seeing what the Cosmo was all about!

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
DonDiego can find that Deutsche Bank was an enthusiastic participant in the Great Bailout of 2008 - receiving almost $12-billion of taxpayer funds from the AIG collapse and borrowing over $2-billion from the Fed and selling over $290-bilion of "troubled assets" to the Fed. DonDiego opposes bailouts.]


Ahh, yes. I remember there was quite a bit of civil disobedience over that bailout as well. Some people embraced those demonstrations. Other people were upset the protestors were holding up traffic.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
When union members block traffic, they are jailed and some people on this site are outraged. When banks are found guilty of conspiring to defraud the US Government out of almost $6 billion, no one goes to jail, and it's so commonplace, no one seems to get outraged.
For the record poor old DonDiego is not subject to outrage as easily as forkushV perceives.

F'rinstance, blocking traffic and evading taxes does not result in outrage from DonDiego; n.b. he recognizes, . . . and opposes both activities, as stated earlier. . . but his panties remain unwadded.

The Forbes article does state:
"The bank’s $554 million payment represents the total amount of fees Deutsche Bank earned from its participation in the tax shelter activity, the amount of tax revenue the Internal Revenue Service was unable to collect, and a civil penalty of $149 million the bank is paying to settle the IRS’ promoter penalty."
This suggests the IRS did recover most of the fraudulent booty and Deutsche Bank was fined $149-billion. DonDiego would've preferred incarceration, . . . but he has learned he does not always get what he prefers.






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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.



Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?
The problem is that the Cosmo isn't making any money & so combine that with high unemployment there isn't any incentive for them to negotiat
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.



Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?


That would depend upon the disposition of the protestors. I invite you to take a job washing dishes at the Cosmo and report back in a year to weigh in on the righteousness of their protest.
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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.

History looks less fondly upon uncivil disobedience ....like sending Ricin letters to the president to protest 2nd Amendment restrictions, for example


History looks favorably, at least to most Americans, at the dumping of the tea into Boston Harbor in 1773. That was certainly uncivil disobedience.

Wait, what does this have to do with the picket at the Cosmo?

On Civil Disobedience

From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: ". . . civil disobedience is a public, non-violent and conscientious breach of law undertaken with the aim of bringing about a change in laws or government policies. On this account, the persons who practice civil disobedience are willing to accept the legal consequences of their actions, as this shows their fidelity to the rule of law."

On this basis pjstroh is correct, . . . f'rinstance, Ghandi intended all his anti-Government activities to be legitimate civil disobedience. Sending ricin through the mails is nothing more than an attempt to do someone harm, regardless of the motivation, . . . and the act of the perpetrator is neither public, non-violent, nor conscientious, . . . and the perpetrator does not accept the legal consequences.

snidely333 is also correct. Although the Boston Tea Party was aimed at bringing about a change in Government policy, the participants wore disguises and were not willing to accept the legal consequences of their destruction of property. It was a Revolutionary Act.
snidely333 is also correct to question the relevance to the Culinary Union Local 226 picketing of the Cosmopolitan. The pickets are not violating a City ordinance to bring about change in Law or Government; they are just violating the Law to attract public attention to a labor dispute between their Union and an Employer. This is not civil disobedience; it is simply obstruction of traffic.


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