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alanleroyII
alanleroyII
Jun 10, 2013
5:24am
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Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.


Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?


That would depend upon the disposition of the protestors. I invite you to take a job washing dishes at the Cosmo and report back in a year to weigh in on the righteousness of their protest.


Working at the Cosmopolitan is a choice people make. If they aren't happy there, they could choose to work somewhere else....or at least protest their wages within the law. Being Black in the US during the Civil Rights Movement or Black in South Africa during apartheid or born in Colonial India were not choices. I'm surprised you're trying to equate them.
pjstroh
pjstroh
Jun 10, 2013
6:07am
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The entire Labor Movement was based upon protests against working conditions in private companies. And its littered with countless acts of civil disobedience - not unlike the picketing of the Cosmo. And it resulted in things like:
- 40 hour work weeks
- paid vacation time
- retirement benefits
...and a whole host of non-government reforms. Most people enjoy those benefits today and they appreciatte the civil disobience that brought them about.

Everyone is free to their own opinion about the workers in this case. But anyone who says civil disobedience is limited in its scope to protesting government needs to do a lot of homework.
pjstroh
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Jun 10, 2013
6:15am
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

Working at the Cosmopolitan is a choice people make. If they aren't happy there, they could choose to work somewhere else....or at least protest their wages within the law. Being Black in the US during the Civil Rights Movement or Black in South Africa during apartheid or born in Colonial India were not choices. I'm surprised you're trying to equate them.


True that! And its also their choice to collectively engage their employer for wages and benefits. Not every country offers that choice. China is a good example. I invite you to take a job in a Beijing factory and report back in a year on the how that country's labor rights compare to ours.
forkushV
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Jun 10, 2013
6:20am
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Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.


Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?


That would depend upon the disposition of the protestors. I invite you to take a job washing dishes at the Cosmo and report back in a year to weigh in on the righteousness of their protest.


Working at the Cosmopolitan is a choice people make. If they aren't happy there, they could choose to work somewhere else....or at least protest their wages within the law. Being Black in the US during the Civil Rights Movement or Black in South Africa during apartheid or born in Colonial India were not choices. I'm surprised you're trying to equate them.
The pickets at the Cosmo are about dollars and cents, and the raiders at the Boston Tea Party were about pounds and pence. But I understand that George III was having money troubles at the time, so I guess he had the same reason as the Cosmo.

And he probably had the same kind of people making excuses for him too.

KarenTN
KarenTN
Jun 10, 2013
7:04am
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twice in one thread, pjstroh is inviting people to take a job somewhere
Roulette Man
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Jun 10, 2013
7:05am
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.


Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?


That would depend upon the disposition of the protestors. I invite you to take a job washing dishes at the Cosmo and report back in a year to weigh in on the righteousness of their protest.


Working at the Cosmopolitan is a choice people make. If they aren't happy there, they could choose to work somewhere else....or at least protest their wages within the law. Being Black in the US during the Civil Rights Movement or Black in South Africa during apartheid or born in Colonial India were not choices. I'm surprised you're trying to equate them.
The pickets at the Cosmo are about dollars and cents, and the raiders at the Boston Tea Party were about pounds and pence. But I understand that George III was having money troubles at the time, so I guess he had the same reason as the Cosmo.

And he probably had the same kind of people making excuses for him too.


Hmmm. So you are saying the Boston Tea Party was about unfair working conditions or are you saying the picketers at the Cosmo are striking because taxes are too high? I don't see the comparison.

I think you better go take a refresher course in history.
pjstroh
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Jun 10, 2013
7:26am
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twice in one thread, pjstroh is inviting people to take a job somewhere


I'm very generous that way.
jatki
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Jun 10, 2013
7:47am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Civil Disobedience is the centerpiece of a philosophy embraced by numerous champions of civil liberty throughout history....Ghandi, MLK, Mandela. History generally rules it to be a constructive part of forming a more democratic society.


Civil Disobedience because you are opposed to occupation by a colonial power, or are protesting a brutal apartheid government, or are racially discriminated against and systematically oppressed is a little different than Civil Disobedience because you are upset over your wages and benefits....don't you think?


That would depend upon the disposition of the protestors. I invite you to take a job washing dishes at the Cosmo and report back in a year to weigh in on the righteousness of their protest.


Working at the Cosmopolitan is a choice people make. If they aren't happy there, they could choose to work somewhere else....or at least protest their wages within the law. Being Black in the US during the Civil Rights Movement or Black in South Africa during apartheid or born in Colonial India were not choices. I'm surprised you're trying to equate them.
The pickets at the Cosmo are about dollars and cents, and the raiders at the Boston Tea Party were about pounds and pence. But I understand that George III was having money troubles at the time, so I guess he had the same reason as the Cosmo.

And he probably had the same kind of people making excuses for him too.


Hmmm. So you are saying the Boston Tea Party was about unfair working conditions or are you saying the picketers at the Cosmo are striking because taxes are too high? I don't see the comparison.

I think you better go take a refresher course in history.


I was trying to figure out what the he was talking about also..???

forkushV
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Jun 10, 2013
8:39am
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Hmmm. So you are saying the Boston Tea Party was about unfair working conditions...
Nope. I'm sure this confuses no one else here, but for your benefit I'll explain...and type slowly.

When I said the Boston Tea Party was about pounds and pence, I meant it was about money.
When I said the Cosmo pickets were about dollars and cents, I meant it was about money.

I can't believe I would have to be so remedial here.

Roulette Man
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Jun 10, 2013
8:45am
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Hmmm. So you are saying the Boston Tea Party was about unfair working conditions...
Nope. I'm sure this confuses no one else here, but for your benefit I'll explain...and type slowly.

When I said the Boston Tea Party was about pounds and pence, I meant it was about money.
When I said the Cosmo pickets were about dollars and cents, I meant it was about money.

I can't believe I would have to be so remedial here.


I can't believe someone would offer up such a lame comparison. Here is an apple and here is an orange. They are both fruit, but other than that they are completely different.

Try a little harder next time.
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