Why do certain groups of young men get shot by the police?

IMHO it is not about race, but upbringing. Some parents bring up their children with respect for authority and the law and others do not. Far too often, those with contempt for authority step over the line and there are consequences --- "Don't taze me bro"!
The rioters in St. Louis are specifically pissed at white people, but also anyone that doesn't look like them. There are serious cultural problems in the black community which are largely the product of a unique set of circumstances and policies. Until folks can address these serious black community issues without being called a racist, the black man will continue to be largely unsuccessful.


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Originally posted by: jphelan
IMHO it is not about race, but upbringing. Some parents bring up their children with respect for authority and the law and others do not. Far too often, those with contempt for authority step over the line and there are consequences --- "Don't taze me bro"!


You lost me.


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Originally posted by: garrtel
The number one most hated public servants in America are police officers.
The number two most hated public servants in America are mass transit bus drivers.
Try going to work everyday with a smile on your face with this reality. Just the stress alone with put you
in an early grave. Stress in the biggest destroyer of mental health.
We all want easy answers to complicated questions. It's call fast food solutions.
Life don't work like that. Opportunity + power = corruption, in any industry.
This mess will get resolved one way or the other, but how many Ferguson's have gone on and will
continue to happen? This is far from the last of these kinds of situations.



Interesting to note on this board the vast difference of opinion between this incident and one where a white, Nevada rancher broke the law and faced armed law enforcement (who did not even shoot the rancher).

I don't know the facts of the incident in St Louis beyond the different accounts from different witnesses which paint very different picyures of what happened. Its just interesting to note how some people on this board speculate the black punk had it coming....while the white rancher was standing up against an oppressive government. I say it is interesting but not surprising.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Interesting to note on this board the vast difference of opinion between this incident and one where a white, Nevada rancher broke the law and faced armed law enforcement (who did not even shoot the rancher).

I don't know the facts of the incident in St Louis beyond the different accounts from different witnesses which paint very different picyures of what happened. Its just interesting to note how some people on this board speculate the black punk had it coming....while the white rancher was standing up against an oppressive government. I say it is interesting but not surprising.



Come on PJ, pretty absurd to try and compare the two situations, they couldn't be further apart if you tried.
The video proves my point that he's a punk. Does PJ disagree?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Interesting to note on this board the vast difference of opinion between this incident and one where a white, Nevada rancher broke the law and faced armed law enforcement (who did not even shoot the rancher).

I don't know the facts of the incident in St Louis beyond the different accounts from different witnesses which paint very different picyures of what happened. Its just interesting to note how some people on this board speculate the black punk had it coming....while the white rancher was standing up against an oppressive government. I say it is interesting but not surprising.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: surf87
First, it is a tragedy that anyone loses their life by being shot. However, I was curious as to why certain groups of young men keep getting shot?


Is it because certain races of young men generally speaking are defiant, uncooperative, non-compliant and wanting to challenge authority or provoke confrontation? Or is it because they did something wrong or might have something to hide? I for one would be compliant if an officer stops me and asks me questions. I wouldn't do anything to escalate the situation in fact I would do whatever it takes to deescalate the matter by being as cooperative as possible.



I can't say what occured during the incident that is currently making national news but speaking in general terms I think sometimes certain groups of young men make things worse by their actions. Whatever the reason it is unfortunate that anyone have to lose his life in the end.
I think the word you are looking for is "uppity."

I guess that kid wasn't showing enough respect, and didn't have his hands raised high enough in the air.


Ok then forky, you like to throw the term uppity in whenever a black guy is defiant or non-compliant to officers commands, what term would you use when a white guy acts the same way towards the police? Is he considered being uppity as well or are you just trying to fan the flames of racism here?

BTW, I have no idea what actually happened in Mo. and I suspect you and everyone on this bd doesn't know either.

Blacks make up about 13% of the population but are about 50% of all homicide victims, of which about 90% are committed by other blacks. I believe gun shootings are the #1 cause of death for young black males.

Sharpton/Jackson have nothing to say about this carnage.
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I don't know the facts of the incident in St Louis beyond the different accounts from different witnesses which paint very different picyures of what happened.
DonDiego agrees with specific regard to the confrontation between Officer Darren Wilson and Mr. Michael Brown.

Here's what is known:

9 Aug 11:50 - A robbery occurs at the Ferguson Market and Liquor store on West Florissant Avenue. Mr. Michael Brown steals cigars from the store and pushes the store owner around a bit as he exits the store. Mr. Brown walks toward the Quik Trip convenience store.

9 Aug 12:01 - Police Officer Darren Wilson encounters Mr. Brown and a friend, Dorian Johnson, as they are walking. Mr. Brown is shot dead. [n.b. There are different accounts as to the details of the confrontation; DonDiego does not know the facts.]

10 Aug 10:00 - Chief of Police Joe Belmar presents his understanding of the prior days incident at a news conference.

10 Aug evening - A candlelight vigil turns violent. Car windows are smashed. A dozen businesses are vandalized and looted, including the aforementioned Quik Trip. 32 citizens are arrested; 2 police officers are injured.

11 Aug 05:00 - The first day of school in nearby Jennings, MO is cancelled.

11 Aug 10:00 - Police arrest 7 persons among a group of "hundreds" gathered outside the Ferguson Police department to "demand justice". Tactical Officers arrive to disperse the crowd.

11 Aug 16:00 - The parents of Mr. Brown and their attorney hold a press conference in which they ask for a stop to violence and demand justice.

11 Aug 18:00 - The NAACP hosts a prayer meeting for community leaders and members.

11 Aug 20:00 - Protesters gather on West Florissant Avenue. The peaceful protest turns un-peaceful; police disperse the crowds with tear gas and rubber bullets. 15 protesters are arrested.

12 Aug 10:00 - Protesters at the Police Department present a list of demands.

12 Aug 12:00 - Al Sharpton arrives. Al Sharpton speaks to members of Mr. Brown's family. Al Sharpton demands justice.

12 Aug afternoon - The Medical Examiner's Office issues an autopsy report on Mr. Brown.
12 Aug afternoon - The FAA announces flight restrictions over Ferguson to clear the airspace for law enforcement helicopters.

12 Aug 15:00 - Officials charge 9 people in relation to looting in Ferguson Sunday night (10 August) into Monday morning.

12 Aug 16:00 - President Obama releases a statement.

12 Aug 19:00 - Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, the St. Louis Mayor and other area leaders come together to speak on the Brown case. At a separate public meeting, Rev. Al Sharpton and the Brown family urge a peaceful fight toward justice for Michael Brown.

12 Aug 20:00 - There is a brief standoff at the looted, burned-down Quik Trip between protestors and police in armored vehicles. Non-violent protests are held downtown, at a church on West Florissant Avenue, and at a bridge blocked by the police.

13 Aug 01:00 - Police shoot a man pointing a gun at an officer.

13 Aug 11:00 - Police issue a statement requesting those intending to assemble for prayer or protest do so during daylight hours and disperse before dark.

13 Aug afternoon - Protesters blocked both lanes of West Florissant Avenue. Police began making arrests quickly. A large SWAT team arrived to clear the protesters, as well as a tactical vehicle. Cops continued to push protesters back for several blocks. Those who did not move were detained.

13 Aug 18:00 - Ferguson-Florissant School District postpones the first day of school until Aug. 18 due to safety concerns for its students. School was set to start Aug. 14.

13 Aug - 20:30 - Protesters on Florissant Avenue throw bottles, rocks, bricks, and a Molotov cocktail, at police. One officer is injured. In response, police fire tear gas at the crowd. After telling them that this was no longer a peaceful protest and ordering them to leave the area, police use sound cannons to disperse the crowd and fire tear gas into the area. Police arrest 16 protestors.

13 Aug 21:00 - A group of Black teenagers accuse a man walking his dog of being a cop; then beat him up.

13 August into 14 August - Protestors line up outside the Police Station.

14 Aug 11:40 - President Obama addresses the Nation.

14 Aug 15:30 - Governor Nixon announces that the Missouri Highway Patrol will take control of security in Ferguson and that the unit in the embattled town would be overseen by Capt. Ron Johnson.

14 August evening/night - Peaceful protests prevail throughout the area.

15 Aug 12:00 - An attorney for Dorian Johnson, who is an eyewitness interviewed by law enforcement, says that Mr. Johnson and Mr. Brown did take part in the convenience store robbery prior to the shooting.

15 Aug 15:00 - Police Chief Thomas Jackson says Darren Wilson, the officer who shot Brown, did not know Brown was a suspect in a strong-arm robbery that happened moments before the shooting. Wilson stopped Brown for walking in the middle of the street.

15 Aug evening - Jesse Jackson leads a group of protestors in prayer.

15 Aug night - Early evening marches turn ugly. Violent protests and looting resume. Police lob tear gas into the mobs; protestors respond with rocks, bricks, etc. Among the stores looted is the Ferguson Market and Liquor store, the business which Mr. Brown had robbed prior to his encounter with Officer Wilson.

16 Aug pre-dawn - Violence and looting continues. Armored vehicles return to the town of Ferguson.


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