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That’s a Good Deal?

Bob Dancer

More than ten years ago, Bonnie and I were just starting to date. Some holiday was coming up and South Point was offering double points, as was their custom then. My game of choice, now long gone, was dollar Ten Play 9/6 Double Double Bonus Quick Quads, worth 99.65%. Since Quick Quads is a 6-coins-per-line game, this cost $60 per play.

For those not familiar with this game, there are a lot of unusual holds — such as 7743, 8885, 6663 (but not 8884), 443 (but not 442), and even, under the right conditions suited 23 and 34. Still, I had studied and practiced and knew the game well.

Typically, on one of South Point’s 2x point days (0.60% instead of 0.030%), I’d play about $200,000 coin in. The average loss on the game itself was $700 (0.9965 x $200,000 = $199,300) and the slot club on double point day would pay $1,200 (2 x 0.0030 x $200,000 = $1,200).

My expected profit of $500, plus mailer money and food, was the reason I was willing to spend all day at the casino. I told Bonnie that I could be talked out of playing if it was a really important deal to her, but normally on holidays I played at South Point. This was fine with Bonnie. She was going to spend the day at her sister’s house. I was welcome, but it wasn’t really a big deal whether I was there or not.

The variance of a Quick Quad game is very close to the same as the base game. Those of you who play Double Double Bonus know it to be a game with medium volatility. Much more volatility than Jacks or Better. Much less than Triple Double Bonus Poker. 

On Ten Play Double Double Bonus, your score for a multi-hour play will primarily depend on the number of royals, aces (especially those with a 2, 3, or 4 kicker), plus the number of dealt quads. Dealt quads in this game pay 2,600, $4,000, $10,000, or $20,000. These are not the same numbers for regular Double Double Bonus Ten Play, but they are correct for this Quick Quads version.

There is nothing sacred about playing $200,000 through the machines. That requires about 12 hours of play, and at my age then, that meant two six-hour sessions. I can’t always get a second session as there were only four machines. Some other time I’ll share some of my techniques geared toward getting a second session.

On the particular holiday in question, I spent my normal time gambling and ended up $4,000 in the dumpster, not including slot club points and benefits. This was not a particularly unusual result. I have been ahead $20,000 on one occasion and $40,000 on another playing this same game. The score will average about minus $700 so sometimes the score is positive and sometimes it is negative.

The next day, Bonnie asked how I did, and I told her she didn’t want to know. She asked again, and I told her I had lost $4,000.

“And you think this is a good deal? You could have spent the day with me at my sister’s and it wouldn’t have cost you a cent. Just think of what you could do with $4,000!”

While Bonnie’s question was probably “common sense” for many people, it’s opposite to the way I think. If I wanted us to have any future together, she’d at least need to accept the way I think about such matters.

“Well, Bonnie. First of all, for the games I play, a win or loss of $4,000 isn’t that large. I’ve had jackpots that size or larger several thousands of times during my career. I even had two of those today. I could have used another but I ran out of time.

“If I thought I would lose four grand, I wouldn’t have played. That was one possible result. As was winning $10,000. As was breaking even. As were thousands of other possibilities. I calculated the average amount, and it was big enough to make it worth my while.”

“You lost this time. What if you lost every time?”

“Well, that’s one of those things that is technically possible, but it has a probability of zero. I know that sounds like mathematical double-speak but it’s true. If I keep making bets where I have the advantage, I’m the overwhelming favorite to make money if I keep doing this.”

“But what if you go broke first?”

“That’s a very good question. Bankroll calculations are complicated, but these $60 bets are small enough relative to my wealth that it’s basically impossible for me to go broke playing this game. If I were betting $1,000 a hand, that’s a different calculation. But I’m not, and it’s hard for me to imagine a casino putting out a game that big with a huge player-advantage.”

“So, you think you can gamble forever and be okay?”

“Casinos change games and restrict players. I might run out of games to play. Or maybe spend my time playing for smaller stakes if I want to play at all. I might decide I have a bigger edge in a game other than video poker. But I don’t think I’ll run out of money.”

“It still scares me a little bit. If you go broke, I don’t want you coming after my money.”

“I’m not going broke. Tell you what. Pick somebody you trust, somebody smart, maybe your daughter, maybe your accountant, maybe your lawyer. And then pick any three years between 1994 and 2012. I will show both of you my gambling logs for the years you pick and explain what the numbers mean. You’ll see a daily record of what casinos I played at, what games I played, what W2-Gs I hit, and how much they all added up to at the end of each of those years.

“After we do this, you’ll see I treat this like a profession. I have winning and losing sessions, but overall, I’m way ahead. Come and sit next to me during a gambling session. Come to one or more of my classes. I have several gambling friends — male and female, often married couples. We can go out to dinner with a number of them over the next several months. Ask them anything you want about me.”

“Wouldn’t your friends only say nice things about you?”

“Maybe. But you’ll be able to make a judgment as to whether these are nice people or not. And honest people.”

“And why would I want to do all of that?”

“If you’re thinking about some sort of a significant relationship, call it doing ‘due diligence.’”

Suffice it to say, “it worked” and Bonnie and I have been married more than nine years. It’s not easy finding somebody compatible— especially if your profession isn’t “normal.” Easy or not, it’s something you have to go through if you don’t want to spend the rest of your life by yourself.

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Atlantic City surges, PA & LA slide; Peace in Detroit?

Business is still strong on the Boardwalk. Casino revenues of $228 million for October in Atlantic City were 3% higher than last year and a healthy 13% more than in 2019 (and still Big Gaming claims that it can’t make money at the shore). Sports betting leapt 18% to revenue of $92 million on $1.3 billion in handle. And i-gaming generated $167 million, a 13% jump. A poor performance at the slots (-14%) translated into a 9% drop for Borgata, closing out the month with $57 million. But that’s nothing compared to the performance of Ocean Casino Resort, which shot ahead of Hard Rock Atlantic City. Ocean grossed $43.5 million, a +53% moonshot. Hard Rock did a not-inconsiderable $41 million, up 6%.

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The Trip to Zippy’s

The Trip to Zippy’s


It’s no coincidence or accident that Zippy’s, the beloved 57-year-old restaurant chain with 22 locations on Oahu, Maui, and the Big Island, opened its first restaurant outside of Hawaii in Las Vegas, which is often called the “ninth island” for its popularity with island visitors and transplants. When it opened on October 10 at 10:10 a.m. (a long five years after the initial announcement) on Rainbow Blvd. just south of the Beltway, the pent-upness was so strong that management had to issue a set of rules for impatient patrons. We waited a month for the hoopla to die down to see what all the excitement is about; a few parking spaces were available in the main lot, indicating that things have quieted down since opening.

We can certainly see why islander tourists and transplants flock to Zippy’s — the aloha vibe, Hawaiian comfort food, and familiarity with the brand, named after the zip code, which had been recently introduced when the chain was launched in 1966. The 24/7 restaurant is known for its Hawaiian chili (the signature dish), fried chicken, oxtail soup, saimin, loco moco (white rice topped with hamburger, fried egg, and brown gravy), mahi sandwiches, and Zip Pac bentos (boxed lunch).

Frankly, we weren’t expecting much. We like the food in Hawaii, for its melting pot of Polynesian, Asian, and European origins and its focus on fresh local ingredients such as coconut, pineapple, seafood, and slow-cooked whole pig (kalua). But it doesn’t seem to transfer beyond the islands. And it didn’t at Zippy’s, at least for us.

We were disappointed to start by the unavailability of the loco moco and mahi sandwiches. We tried the signature chili, basically chili without any signature that we could find and the large bowl ($9) was more white rice than spicy beans. The $14.75 bento was, again, a lot of rice; the fried chicken was crispy and moist and the teriyaki beef was decent, but we’re not big fans of Spam and the hoki (breaded fish) was tasteless.

Zippy’s is also known for its “napples,” apple turnovers (the “n” is for the Zippy-brand Napoleon bakery, $3.99), and malasadas, plain round donuts rolled in sugar ($1.40). They were the perfect bland desserts for the nothing-special lunches.

Granted, Zippy’s says the menu has been purposely limited in order to iron out the kinks of the first location on the mainland, so we’ll watch to see if and when it changes for the better. Also, we can’t argue with the food-delivery system. A greeter outside the front door directs you to the correct line (right to eat in, left to take out; there’s also an eight-seat counter for quick dine-in). Both options are very fast and efficient.

For take-out, you order and pay at the cashier, then repair to the waiting area where a readerboard tracks the progress of your order. When it’s ready, the server checks your ID (good idea) and hands you your bag o’ food.


Our bill for the bento, chili, and baked goods came to $30.23, including tax. Definitely reasonable for the amount of food and another explanation why Zippy’s is so popular.

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Attending a Raiders Home Game

Attending a Raiders Home Game 18


Lucking into two tickets to the Giants game on November 5, we (Anthony and Deke) attended, the first time either of us had seen a game at Allegiant Stadium. (We did take the tour; see the review in LVA 8/21).

Deke started out from the Jockey Club, catching the tram at the Shops at Crystals to Park MGM, then crossing Tropicana and picking up the tram at Excalibur. That’s where the silver-and-black crowd starts to gather.

At Mandalay Bay, it’s a simple matter of following the crowd to the back of the casino and out to the Hacienda Avenue bridge over I-15 (signs point the way). Everyone marches to the stadium like an impromptu parade in their Raiders’ T-shirts, sweatshirts, jerseys, scarves, bandanas, caps, masks, chains, beads, and makeup, with a respectable representation of the visiting team’s colors in the mix (in our case, Giants blue). Not surprisingly, Allegiant attracts one of the largest percentages of visiting-team fans in the NFL.

The scene on the bridge gets the game juices flowing: a drum line, ferocious reefer fumes, cops keeping order (and ignoring the pot smoke), one of many water stations around the stadium, even a human doomsday billboard.

You come off the bridge at the north entrance to the stadium, where you’re engulfed by Raiders merch tents, Modelo-, Coors-, and Jack Daniels-themed bars, and tailgate parties.

If you’re getting dropped off, the closest you’ll come is to the southwest and northwest entrances to the stadium on Polaris, which is turned into a one-way street going north from Russell. That’s where Anthony came in and hooked up with Deke. As for parking, surface lots are everywhere, both on and off the stadium property. A four-story parking garage on the northwest corner of Russell and Polaris is brand new.

The ticketing is via QR codes on the Raiders app, all seamless. The stadium is credit-card only; no cash is accepted for anything.

Once inside, finding your seats can be a challenge. We were sitting five rows from the top on the 400 level and had to wander around a bit to find our row. Rows consist of 30 seats between aisles and we were in seats 15 and 16, right smack dab in the middle, so getting in and out wasn’t exactly convenient. Each of us came and went once and spotting our empty seats in the vast sea of spectators was another effort. Deke blundered his way back, but the stranger in the seat next to his spotted Anthony and signaled, saving the day.

Food is plentiful, varied, and surprisingly high quality. The stadium website and app list all the concessions and their locations, from barbecue and chicken to sushi and vegan, with burgers, hot dogs, Mexican, pizza, pretzels, salads, and sandwiches in between. Given the crowds, time constraints, and challenge of carrying food and drink back to the seats, surprisingly few fans were eating and drinking around us. We tried a hot dog ($8) and meatball bowl ($15) from Ferraro’s, the long-running local Italian eatery; the dog was forgettable, but the meatballs were restaurant-quality and ample.

Beers are $13 (domestic draft) to $17 (premium can), but beyond the prices, even if your seats are near the aisle and have an easy in and out, you probably want to refrain from drinking; the lines into the bathrooms, both men’s and women’s, are perpetually pitiless.

As for the game, of course, there’s nothing like being at a huge event like this. The collective energy, people watching, fan frenzy, live entertainment, logistics of 65,000 people getting in, getting along, and getting out, and the football are all sights to behold. Some people prefer watching games on television and we do too, but for a once-in-a-blue-moon experience, being there live and in person is monumental.

The crowds exiting at the end of the game are massive, many walking back across the bridge to MBay to catch the tram. Deke opted out of that mess and hoofed it up to Park MGM, roughly two miles and 40 minutes, then caught the tram to center Strip, while Anthony got picked up on Russell.

All in all, it was a long day, but absolutely worth it and one we won’t soon forget.

As for acquiring tickets to the games, our blogger Dapper Dave Kamsler provided a tutorial on the resale market, which you can read here.

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Hockey Knights in Vegas Episode 60: On the Road Again

Hockey Knights in Vegas: Episode 56

The VGK righted the ship with a methodical 5-0 win over the Pacific Division doormat San Jose Sharks. Well, at the time, the co-doormats with the Edmonton Oilers! LOL

Next up, the first of two five-game road trips beginning with a 3-0 shutout loss to the Washington Capitals.
Lindsey, Chris, and Eddie break down a game that ended with a score that was not at all indicative of the play.

The other key VGK topic on Episode 60 is a discussion of what the lines will look like as the three currently injured starters are traveling with the team. Two of the players in the lineup versus the Caps are going to be visiting us in the press box soon. Who are they going to be?

The second go-round of Ha Ha Headlines takes aim at the low-hanging fruit from the week in the NHL. But instead of three of the funniest headlines of the week, Episode 60 ends up with a very serious discussion of the biggest story in the entire hockey world. This is must-see for all hockey fans, young and old and regardless of who you’re a fan of.

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Massachusetts flattens; Who’s “irresponsible”?

Massachusetts flattens; Who's "irresponsible"?

Casinos in the great state of Massachusetts grossed $97 million in October, a flat trajectory from last year but a whopping 23.5% higher than 2019. Encore Boston Harbor led with $62.5 million (flat). MGM Springfield slipped 6% to $21.5 million, led by an 11% slide at the tables. Plainridge Park continued its upward trend, gaining 3% to $13 million. High hold enable sports books to bring in $59.5 million on handle of $556 million. Homeboy DraftKings took home 58% of the revenue, with FanDuel settling for 27%. BetMGM was way back at 7%, followed by Caesars Sportsbook (2%) and two other operators apparently too negligible to mention.

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Life is a Gamble – Joseph Merhi part 1 episode 12

Podcast – Sherriff AP episode #9

My guest this week is Joseph Merhi.  Joseph moved to Florida from a small town in Syria when he was 18 years old.  He spoke no English, but through grit and perseverance he went on to produce over 100 movies.  This is part 1 of 2.

You can reach me at [email protected], or find me on Twitter @RWM21. If you like the show please tell a friend you think might like it, or if you are really ambitious leave a review wherever you listen.

Podcast https://www.spreaker.com/user/7418966/joempt1_1

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Bally’s flags; Midwest malaise; Boardwalk blotter

That novelty factor wore off quickly for Bally’s Casino in Chicago. The good news for Bally’s Corp. is that the Medinah Temple temporary won $7.5 million last month, good for (distant) fourth place in the state, far behind Rivers Des Plaines. The bad news is for the City of Chicago itself, as the Sun Times reports that the number is “well behind city tax revenue projections for Chicago’s desperately underfunded police and firefighter pensions,” and that the data showed a dropoff from September. There’s also been a 20% decline in visitors. We warned Chicagoans that then-mayor Lori Lightfoot had absurd numbers dancing in her head. If the rescue of those pension funds relies on one casino, they’re screwed, sad to say.

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A Look at: “Gambler: Secrets from a Life at Risk”

Bob Dancer

Billy Walters, a legendary sports gambler, finally writes an autobiography. For those who wish to share his success at betting football and other sports, he gives the “from 30,000 feet view” of his secret sauce. He prints the factors his computer programmers take into consideration, but you’re going to have to do your own analysis and come up with your own numbers. 

Although he ended up wildly rich and successful, his life didn’t start out that way and it was a very bumpy ride. He was raised in rural Kentucky by his grandmother, and he started gambling at a very young age. He presents himself as a degenerate gambler and alcoholic going through several dozen boom-and-bust cycles until he finally got his ducks in a row. He is not at all shy about recounting his many, many failures along his road to success.

One of his “secrets” is that he performs very well under pressure — and is not afraid to go broke if he calculates the odds being in his favor. He is a very good golfer, but even better at sizing up his opponents. Hustling at pool and golf taught him many secrets for getting money out of bookies. He is very good at applying what he has learned in one circumstance and applying it in another.

The Federal Government tried to convict him numerous times throughout his life. He was able to beat all the raps — except the last one, where he was convicted for insider trading. He maintains his innocence and blames Phil Mickelson for his conviction. Walters contends that if Mickelson had testified at Walters’ trial and simply told the truth, Walters would never have been convicted.

Although Walters has nothing nice to say about Mickelson (or Steve Wynn, for that matter), this is not a sour grapes book. He did his time, and now is helping others who do not have his financial resources to beat the prison system. Still, this is just one side of it. I’m pretty sure Mickelson would have a very different take on what went down.

Although there are dozens of specific stories in this book, Walters is not a particularly good storyteller. Many of his adventures would make a good plot for a thriller, but Walters recounts the stories in a rather matter-of-fact manner.  Billy Walters was one of those gamblers that Richard and I lusted over having on our Gambling with an Edge podcast. But Walters was in prison for much of the GWAE run and didn’t do many interviews. So, we never got him on the show. Now Walters is doing more interviews promoting this book than he ever did previously.

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BLACKJACK OR PONTOON? UNDERSTANDING THE UNIQUE ASPECTS OF EACH GAME

This post is syndicated by the Las Vegas Advisor for the 888 casino group. Anthony Curtis comments on the 888 article introduced and linked to on this page.

AC Says: Blackjack has many variations, one of which is pontoon. This article describes the differences in the games, but doesn’t say where pontoon is played. I’ve never seen it offered in a U.S. casino, but have heard it can be found in England, and potentially in other European countries, as well as online. Michael “The Wizard of Odds” Shackleford quotes the online game’s casino edge versus the proper basic strategy as .49%, which equates with the edge for standard multiple-deck blackjack games. A variation called Australian pontoon more closely resembles Spanish 21. 

This article was written by Louis Wheeler in association with 888Casino.

Card games have always captivated the minds of players seeking entertainment and a bit of challenge. Two popular contenders in the realm of card games are Blackjack and Pontoon. Although they share similarities in their objective to beat the dealer’s hand without exceeding a certain total, they also have distinct rules…

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