Originally posted by: Boilerman
As you know, utilies are a mix of governent and business. I don't like it, but that's how it is.
And incidents like the one being so civilly discussed here (😅😅😅😅😅😅) are precisely why utilities are so heavily regulated. But Republicans hate government. They want everything to be in the hands of private enterprise.
If anyone cares about private enterprise and dam failures, they can research the Johnstown Flood and the failures of San Gabriel and Teton dams.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
And incidents like the one being so civilly discussed here (😅😅😅😅😅😅) are precisely why utilities are so heavily regulated. But Republicans hate government. They want everything to be in the hands of private enterprise.
If anyone cares about private enterprise and dam failures, they can research the Johnstown Flood and the failures of San Gabriel and Teton dams.
There is a reason why SpaceX is flying for about 5 cents on the dollar to NASA.
Cool story, bro. Let us know when you're ready for some truth.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Huh? So then if I am an Amusement operator .... or a Coal Mine operator....I can let my business be a death trap for my workers and guests because I dont have enogh money to make it safe? Thats your argument?
Safety regulations dont exist on a conditional basis. If you cant abide them then declare bankruptcy and sell your business to someone who can.
Regardless, it sure as hell isn't the government's fault that a private business failed to make its own assetts safe and in compliance with state regulations.
PJ, if the piggy bank is empty, a company can not make not make safety improvements. Are you arguing this point?
The state had a several of options. Take over the dam and run it themselves, making the needed improvements. Another option was to transfer the dam to a new, financially solvent company, who is required to make improvements. Option three would be to allow the current operator to lower water levels so the dam wouldn't burst. They instead, demanded that the operator run the dam in an unsafe manner, demanding that the company spend money that doesn't exist.
What of this do you not agree with?
Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, if the piggy bank is empty, a company can not make not make safety improvements. Are you arguing this point?
The state had a several of options. Take over the dam and run it themselves, making the needed improvements. Another option was to transfer the dam to a new, financially solvent company, who is required to make improvements. Option three would be to allow the current operator to lower water levels so the dam wouldn't burst. They instead, demanded that the operator run the dam in an unsafe manner, demanding that the company spend money that doesn't exist.
What of this do you not agree with?
Well, lets see option (1) is you're arguing for a mandaotry Socialist takeover of private business that has a failed, unprofitable business model. For the sake of your own capitalist reputation on this board lets just pretend you didn't being it up.
Option (2) is exactly what I said in my post before. Failing businesses should declare bankruptcy and sell their assetts to better businessmen. If you are the free market purist you claim to be then thats how it works.
The problem with your perspective is you are blaming the government for a private sector business that had an unprofitable business model. And I will let that stand on its own non-sensical feet. I can name 100 businesses in Indianapolis alone that failed this past year. Is that their fault - or do you blame Governor Holcomb? I think we both know - and thats why I'm having a hard time taking your critique seriously here.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Well, lets see option (1) is you're arguing for a mandaotry Socialist takeover of private business that has a failed, unprofitable business model. For the sake of your own capitalist reputation on this board lets just pretend you didn't being it up.
Option (2) is exactly what I said in my post before. Failing businesses should declare bankruptcy and sell their assetts to better businessmen. If you are the free market purist you claim to be then thats how it works.
The problem with your perspective is you are blaming the government for a private sector business that had an unprofitable business model. And I will let that stand on its own non-sensical feet. I can name 100 businesses in Indianapolis alone that failed this past year. Is that their fault - or do you blame Governor Holcomb? I think we both know - and thats why I'm having a hard time taking your critique seriously here.
I'm not blaming government for a failed private business. Where to hell did you come up with this? Michigan Dems fucked up. They demanded that the company do the impossible, and when the impossible shockingly didn't happen, the Dems then demanded that he company raise water levels to unsafe levels. The dam failed.
What is not factually correct?
The water levels are only unsafe for a dam that is not up to safety regulations....like this one was not in compliance with for decades.
So the only question is who is to blame for not having the dam in compliance....the owner? Or the government that is not the owner? You chose the latter. You did the same thing with the BP oil spill as I recall. That was the government's fault too.
Who cares if it's the companies fault for not running a successful business? Does this change the state's decisionmaking process on making the dam safe? The state demanded that the dam be raised above safe levels.
Republican snowflakes seem to forget republicans ran the state of Michigan for the previous 8 years before Governor Whitmer took office.AND poisoned Flint's water.
Originally posted by: bbking
Republican snowflakes seem to forget republicans ran the state of Michigan for the previous 8 years before Governor Whitmer took office.AND poisoned Flint's water.
Another democratic myth. It was the Democrats who were running Flint in 2014 who switched the water supply.
