World Health Organization: Covid lockdowns doing more harm than good

Boiler doesn't realize that what one person says, or a few people say, does not constitute the views of the entire organization to which they belong. Thus, his thread title is a lie.

Boiler also doesn't realize that a "news" article titled "...wrecks the democrats narrative..." is not likely to be objective.

Boiler fails to comprehend that the remarks in the article were taken out of context and referred to situations from months ago, at the start of the pandemic.

Boiler needs to understand that he and others of his ilk are continually manipulated by propagandists and Russian troll-bots who figure out what they want to hear and then feed it to them.

Yep, the senior WHO medical doctor, who was speaking on behalf of WHO, is a troll who agrees with me.  WHO is urging countries to only do lockdowns in very limited circumstances.  Many states are going far beyond WHO's recommendation.

As I suspected, the crazies who loved WHO last week suddenly hate WHO this week.

Well, if that isn't the pot (Kevin) calling the kettle (Boilerman) black.  

Candy

It isn't. I don't let my brain be filled up with Russian propaganda. I don't cleave to a single piece of "news" and state that it validates my entire worldview.

As you seem to be a good person, Candy, I'm perplexed that you would defend Boilerman. He's repeatedly stated that he wants everybody to be infected and a maximum number of people to die so we can all have "herd immunity" (MOO!), a sentiment now being expressed by the evil White House. Do you agree? Let's have as many deaths as possible so the economy can recover and Trumpie-poo can get reelected?

Even if, as Boiler "reports," the entire WHO has suddenly done a 180, their position still contradicts that of every other scientist and scientific organization. But Boiler is prepared to embrace them all of a sudden because he agrees with them.

Let's not forget that Boiler cheered and clapped when Trump denounced the WHO this summer.

Kevin, my pot/kettle comment is not new to you.  I've always ragged on you about 'generalizing' so much.  Your blanket and raging disrespect of anyone not in sync with you (in your mind) on Trump and your liberal values doesn't serve you well.  Kevin, you DON'T know everything/everyone, what they think, what kind of person they might be.  You can rant and rave about things, but let someone else post what they think then you go all postal on them.

I don't defend anybody, since nobody needs me to defend them.  I might opine what is on my mind at the moment, which can change.

My state starts early voting next Monday.  I plan to be one of the first in line.  And, at this moment I'm not sure who I will vote for.   So there.  Probably not Kanye West, though.  LOL.

I suspect that Kevin hasn't even watched the video included in my post.  Kevin claims that since the WHO video was made public by a certain outfit, that the WHO video and their senior doctor included in the video don't count.

The Who was great in Kevin's opinion one week ago, and now the WHO sucks in Kevin's opinion.  Why, you ask?  Because the WHO is how saying that Kevin's opinion is wrong.  Suck it up Kevin.

I was familiar with the "story" well before you posted it. I was also familiar with why it's a lie.

No point talking further to a deranged Trump stooge who believes that mass death is the best solution to a pandemic.

If you're even considering voting for Trump--well, you're like the diner who is looking at the only two choices on the menu, a BLT and a rat shit sandwich...and still can't make up her mind.

This isn't about politics, Candy. It's not liberal vs. conservative. It's about common decency vs. cruelty, racism, and stupidity. It's about science vs. wishful thinking.

There are people on this board (like yourself, DonDiego) whose conservatism is leavened by reason. Then there are our full-blown Trumper nutballs who perform no function except to be Trump parrots. I "generalize" about them because their views are always the same--whatever Trump and Fox News feeds them. Then they crap it out onto this forum. And yea verily, I heartily disrespect them. Because I don't want to see them achieve their goal--turning this country into a fascist dictatorship.

 I will consider everything you say, Kevin. 

For myself, the Republican party appears to be hurting my financial goals, which is a decent COLA every year, at least one that exceeds the increase in my health insurance premiums.  The past year it was a negative.  Was Trump to be credited for a good financial year for my investments?  If Biden wins will we see another 2008?  Is he OK?  He does not impress from the podium.  What did he accomplish as a VP?  I really don't know.

I don't hold Trump completely to blame like you do, though he certainly didn't act to protect us.   Here is why:

George W. Bush, during his presidency, was notified by a consortium of infectious disease, immunology, and public health experts that the US was in for, and unprepared for, a pandemic.  Exactly when and what, especially the lethality of this one, was unknown.  Bush was advised to get going with a plan for this, to get the stockpile bulked up for an explosion of sick Americans.  Bush took it for serious and a plan was put together.  Unfortunately every year, every administration, the plan was reviewed but was deemed too costly, spending money on an 'unknown'.  Around about the same time it became popular to outsource manufacturing (all kinds) to other countries, including medical supplies, testing equipment, PPE, etc.  When Covid hit the US was in the position of depending on buying that stuff from the other countries STAT.  But...other countries, including China, were fighting the virus as well, suddenly unwilling to sell us what we needed because...duh, they needed it to take care of their own people.  They held the cards.  Our own states were competing for what little was trickling in, including PPE and testing materials and other needs.  Not enough PPE for health care people.  Not enough swabs, for God's sake, to perform enough tests.  Other countries' labs started competing to be the first with vaccines and treatments, being less than forthcoming with what they knew and were learning.  Trump didn't start that problem, plenty of 'blame' to go around, but he was aware...and his vanity wouldn't allow him to admit the US was in trouble and inform the public we had a deadly virus attacking us like no other in recent memory.  We needed to be alarmed and afraid and get in the mindset to flatten that curve IMO.  But he soft peddled what was happening.  And then started firing scientists who disagreed with what he was saying, ginning up fear and loathing all around.

We vote for candidates whom we hope/have faith in that they will do if elected, but also what we know about their past accomplishments and character.  Always a crap shoot.  Somehow we hope we put the right man in office, which is never a guarantee, just a best guess.

The difference between Trump's and previous failures by Presidents is that Trump's failures were deliberate. He knew. And he DELIBERATELY did nothing.

That, as we all know, stemmed from his narcissism disorder (also from the fact that he's a 14-carat jerk). When you are the only person that matters to you, of course you're not going to take care of other people, unless doing so personally benefits you.

The utter lack of moral character displayed by Trump is what makes him a truly idiotic choice. It's not about politics for me--though every time I criticize him, people here and elsewhere scream LIBERAL LIBERAL LIBERAL at me, as if that was an insult--rather, it's about the character of the man and how unfit he is for office. I've tolerated (Reagan), barely tolerated (Dubya), and even liked (Old Bush) Republican Presidents. But Trump is a whole 'nother ballgame. (Also, he's not really a Republican--he's some kind of political mutant.)

But to return to your premise---we sure as hell knew what kind of man Trump was in 2016. Yet, a truly godawful number of people voted for him. He's a total goddamn jerk. And horribly, that appeals to a lot of people!

As far as what Biden accomplished as VP--well, I can't name a single VP in American history who accomplished much (while in that office). That's because they can't. They have very little power. Their primary function is similar to that of an understudy for the lead in a Broadway production. Their role is to be ready on very short notice to assume the most powerful office in the world.

So as far as "accomplishments" goes, Trump's are negative, and Biden's are minimal. So what metric do I employ to make my choice? Well, one is a complete, unmitigated asshole. The other is a nice guy.

To my way of thinking, that counts for a lot.