2014***ObamaCare***2014

To quote sebillius from 2 weeks ago there will be no extensions, and that there is no authority to do so
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
It must be a sad existence, being able to find regret in people being allowed to finish in April health insurance applications they began in March.
Whether it makes someone sad or not is irrelevant.

If the fiction which President Obama, Secretary Sebelius, Pressman Carney, and Chilcoot were true, that would be a terrible infraction upon the Law which applies specific dates for specific actions for specific reasons. e.g. Actual insurance requires strict adherence to specific dates of enrollment, dates of payment, etc.; otherwise the actuarial bases for insurance is undermined and the insurer likely goes bankrupt.

And Chilcoot ignores the outright lies under oath before Congress cited earlier. That does make poor old DonDiego sad, sad that Secretary Sibelius hasn't been jailed for Contempt of Congress. But then Attorney General Holder has a habit of enforcing those laws which he chooses to enforce selectively and ignoring others altogether and breaking some himself. DonDiego supposes Chilcoot remains cheerful.

But nonetheless, what Chilcoot describes is fiction.
There is no "real requirement" that a person be involved in somehow attempting to enroll after having initiated the process sometime on-or-before 31 March. The Administration has already explained instead of enforcing such a requirement, they will use the "honor system"; i.e. if a person says they were trying to get Obamacare on or before 31 March, they can sign up anytime, . . . or at least until "mid-May", . . . until that indeterminate "date" gets changed in an equally unenforceable way.
Imagine an insurance company taking someone's word that they had tried to buy a policy before they broke their leg, so the company should now issue coverage and cover the bills.
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
But nonetheless, what Chilcoot describes is fiction.
There is no "real requirement" that a person be involved in somehow attempting to enroll after having initiated the process sometime on-or-before 31 March. The Administration has already explained instead of enforcing such a requirement, they will use the "honor system"; i.e. if a person says they were trying to get Obamacare on or before 31 March, they can sign up anytime, . . . or at least until "mid-May", . . . until that indeterminate "date" gets changed in an equally unenforceable way.
Imagine an insurance company taking someone's word that they had tried to buy a policy before they broke their leg, so the company should now issue coverage and cover the bills.
In signing up, the person must affirm that they tried to sign up by the deadline but were unable to. And while the government apparently has no plan to verify those assertions, it could take action if it later finds out that the person was lying. I guess what you're really worried about is that your government still has some faith in the fundamental honesty of Americans.

Seriously, what exactly are you afraid of? That people are lying in wait, purposefully not signing up for insurance now so that, come April, they can sign up for insurance? Who would do that?

The applications that a few Americans will be completing in April will be for policies that take effect May 1. See this image from one of the other Obamacare threads on this site? See the part in the upper left that shows the effective date as "05/01/2014"?



You can put your broken leg fantasy to bed.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
Seriously, what exactly are you afraid of?
DonDiego is too old to be afraid anymore.

But he is concerned that a President and the minions within his Administration have assumed the power to change laws as they wish with no legislative amendment or involvement, . . . not to mention lie under oath without fear of any consequences.

DonDiego interprets this as dangerous to citizens' freedoms. He expects some folks will prefer the comfort a benevolent Government can bestow upon them, . . . until it cannot.


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Originally posted by: DonDiego
But he is concerned that a President and the minions within his Administration have assumed the power to change laws as they wish with no legislative amendment or involvement, . . . not to mention lie under oath without fear of any consequences.
So do something about it! Stand up! Show the courage of your convictions!

We still have a judicial branch. Sue the President for allowing people to complete their Obamacare applications after March 31.

Imagine what a hero you'll be to people who don't want more Americans to have quality, affordable helth insurance! Think of the monuments they'd erect to you for that!



By the way, what "lie under oath" about this are you pretending has occurred?
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
Seriously, what exactly are you afraid of?
DonDiego is too old to be afraid anymore.
And on top of that, his memory is failing.


Its time to move those goal posts again!
The CBO's latest analysis:
- More people have insurance
- The cost of the law is getting smaller
- The impact of the law on deficit reduction is getting greater.

When will be saved from this fiscal nightmare?!?!?!?

CBO's latest financial analysis of the ACA

"The CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation said the law’s insurance coverage provisions will now cost about $1.4 trillion over the next 10 years — about $104 billion less than previously estimated. This year alone the government will spend $5 billion less than projected.

The CBO said lower spending on the health care law is helping shrink deficits overall. "
Again I will interrupt this thread with an actual user experience. The Obamacare provider network is terrible. I am currently having trouble finding an eye surgeon and a dermatologist. Even though there are tons of dermatologists in my area there aren't any that are in Network. So it is not that I am picky wanting a doctor I have seen before it is finding any willing takers that is the challenge.

Obamacare is great insurance as long as you don't get sick.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Again I will interrupt this thread with an actual user experience. The Obamacare provider network is terrible. I am currently having trouble finding an eye surgeon and a dermatologist. Even though there are tons of dermatologists in my area there aren't any that are in Network. So it is not that I am picky wanting a doctor I have seen before it is finding any willing takers that is the challenge.

Obamacare is great insurance as long as you don't get sick.
I've heard the same complaints about Medicare. Of course Granny doesn't complain about it too much, because she's not an ingrate.

By the way, how much is the Obamacare's elimination of pre-existing conditions going to save on your medical bills this year? Last I heard, it was somewhere around $200,000 to $500,000.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
Again I will interrupt this thread with an actual user experience. The Obamacare provider network is terrible. I am currently having trouble finding an eye surgeon and a dermatologist. Even though there are tons of dermatologists in my area there aren't any that are in Network. So it is not that I am picky wanting a doctor I have seen before it is finding any willing takers that is the challenge.

Obamacare is great insurance as long as you don't get sick.


Obamacare does not have a provider network. Your insurance company does. And if you dont like the insurance company you selected off the exchange you can choose a different one next time. Likely the dermatologists in your area do business with one or more health insurance companies or they likely wont be in business for long.
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