American Ebola patient flew a Frontier Airlines flight only two days ago

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler hasn't watched Hannity in about a year. Try again.




You falsely cited a Purdue scientist who did an interview with Sean Hannity by claiming that scientist said something he did not say. If he read your post he'd probably not be too happy with you. I hope you weren't fraternity brothers.
What expert said the intermingling of highly infectious people doesn't spread disease?


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

Of course PJ conveniently left out the alternative that has been suggested many times. Don't allow unfettered access to the USA to people who have recently been in areas of Western Africa where Ebola is rampant. This option has been selected by many other countries including the neighbors of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. It's kind of...you know...Common Sense.

It may very well be overkill, but wouldn't that have prevented at least 2 Americans from getting sick? What are they worth? Oh..and you do realize that there is not agreement among Doctors and Scientists on banning travel to the US from the infected areas, don't you?


I didn't conveniently leave it out - I purposefully left it out. Why? Because I read an article from an expert who said flight restrictions don't stop the spread of infectious disease. (Coincidentally, she also debunks the airborne myth). Perhaps AlanLeroy can share his source for information so we can determine the level of expertise of the person who gave it to him. Like I said - I'm not a medical expert and am open to listening to people who are. I'm not open to propaganda from the boogeyman.

5 myths about Ebola
"Many nations have banned flights from other countries in recent years in hopes of blocking the entry of viruses, including SARS and H1N1 “swine flu.” None of the bans were effective, and the viruses gained entry to populations regardless of what radical measures governments took to keep them out."


Talk sense to a fool and they call you foolish.
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What expert said the intermingling of highly infectious people doesn't spread disease?



Plenty...including the scientist you erroneously cited. Try to keep up.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
So as I understand it there are three main objections to the commercial travel ban.

1. Victims will go around it and come here anyway.
2. It prevents much needed people and material from getting to the impacted areas.
3. It will hurt the economies of the impacted countries.

Answers:
1. If they can't come by air, they will likely die before they get here.
2. Travel to and from impacted areas should be handled by the US military not commercial air travel. It should be a far larger effort than is currently planned and include a system of quarantine for returning travelers.
3. You've got to be kidding.


Whats the common sense solution for uninfected US aid workers, volunteers and visitors who are in Liberia today? Tell them they are never allowed to return to their country of citizenship until Ebola has been wiped off the face of the earth? Do tell. And if Italy doesn't impose the same travel restrictions we do then what is to stop people from traveling from Liberia to the US via Rome? I suspect that's why the senior advisor to the health at the Council of Foreign relations says your solution is a myth.

But Hey! I give you credit, Alan. You posted statistics from informed people. Good for you. You've officially one-up'ed Jatki, Don Diego, and Boilerman.


1. Why on God's green Earth would PJ want 'US aid workers & volunteers' to return from the front lines of the Ebola war on a commercial airliner?

They should fly on charter planes or military transports that follow protocols for sanitizing and potential contamination. They should go to quarantine upon their arrival. Of course they are allowed to return...but of course they shouldn't fly on a commercial flight. Duh...They know that. They know what they signed up for. They don't want to take any chance of infecting their fellow Americans with this scourge. They are the real heroes.

2. What is to stop people from traveling from Liberia to the US via Rome? People entering the US need something called a Visa....and I'm not talking about a credit card. We will deny visas to people who are coming from a hot spot until they make it out of Quarantine or have an Ebola test. Once we ban commercial travel from those places, they are probably just going to stay in Italy anyway.

But hey...I didn't say that banning commercial travel from Ebola Hotspots is a 100% barrier to entry, did I? If we can't completely stop it from entering, then we shouldn't even try to slow it down? Is that PJ's 'Rome' argument?

And like I said earlier, with great disagreement in the healthcare community about the travel ban, it is just common sense to error on the side of caution. Why do you insist on throwing caution to the wind? Because your 'experts' say it's safe to allow commercial travel while other 'experts' say it's stupid? That's just not good enough.

Would PJ please post my quote claiming that I viewed a Hannity interview with Purdue Professor Dr. David Sanders. I did, however, see an interview of Sanders. This is not the interview, but this is from a local Indy TV station that PJ might recognize.

Boiler is not concerned at this point, for his safety. I do, however, believe that the Obama administration and the CDC has proven once again to be quite inept.

https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/purdue-professor-says-ebola-primed-to-go-airborne


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Boiler hasn't watched Hannity in about a year. Try again.




You falsely cited a Purdue scientist who did an interview with Sean Hannity by claiming that scientist said something he did not say. If he read your post he'd probably not be too happy with you. I hope you weren't fraternity brothers.


Isolate these folks until the incubation period would be complete. If they are healthy, then they can return. Now that is common sense.

Since folks must carry a passport to travel into America, disallow anyone who has traveled to certain geographies until they have been isloated until the incubation period is complete. It's really not that hard.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
So as I understand it there are three main objections to the commercial travel ban.

1. Victims will go around it and come here anyway.
2. It prevents much needed people and material from getting to the impacted areas.
3. It will hurt the economies of the impacted countries.

Answers:
1. If they can't come by air, they will likely die before they get here.
2. Travel to and from impacted areas should be handled by the US military not commercial air travel. It should be a far larger effort than is currently planned and include a system of quarantine for returning travelers.
3. You've got to be kidding.


Whats the common sense solution for uninfected US aid workers, volunteers and visitors who are in Liberia today? Tell them they are never allowed to return to their country of citizenship until Ebola has been wiped off the face of the earth? Do tell. And if Italy doesn't impose the same travel restrictions we do then what is to stop people from traveling from Liberia to the US via Rome? I suspect that's why the senior advisor to the health at the Council of Foreign relations says your solution is a myth.

But Hey! I give you credit, Alan. You posted statistics from informed people. Good for you. You've officially one-up'ed Jatki, Don Diego, and Boilerman.


PJ knows that folks in HAZMAT suits get infected, but he now tells us that folks without protection are safe. You remind me of the CDC telling us that the nurse didn't go anywhere in public, and 20 seconds later stating that she went shopping.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What expert said the intermingling of highly infectious people doesn't spread disease?



Plenty...including the scientist you erroneously cited. Try to keep up.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ knows that folks in HAZMAT suits get infected, but he now tells us that folks without protection are safe. You remind me of the CDC telling us that the nurse didn't go anywhere in public, and 20 seconds later stating that she went shopping.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What expert said the intermingling of highly infectious people doesn't spread disease?



Plenty...including the scientist you erroneously cited. Try to keep up.




PJ doesn't say anything. PJ cites scientists and experts in the field of disease control. Thats why I post links to the people I cite...and I quote them correctly.

So far I've been countered by:
- Boilerman who slanders the statement of a real scientist.
- DonDiego who posts a hyperbolic photo of Ebola climbing a fence
- Jatki who has nothing except fear of the government
- And AlanLeroy who is using his untrained, uninformed common sense that runs contrary to the opinions of people who have studied previous breakouts.

Have a nice, Ebola-free day!
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Originally posted by: pjstroh - And AlanLeroy who is using his untrained, uninformed common sense that runs contrary to the opinions of people who have studied previous breakouts.


And you might mention that AlanLeroy's 'untrained, uniformed common sense' is supported by 75% of Physicians surveyed. Those darned doctors don't know anything about disease, right PJ? And It's AlanLeroy's common sense to error on the side of caution when dealing with a Virus that as a 70% mortality rate and disagreement in the Medical Community on the travel ban....Yet PJ insists on throwing caution to the wind. Why is that?

Perhaps PJ prefers the opinion of our new Attorney/Ebola Czar to 75% of Doctors surveyed. There's an Ebola expert you can hang your hat on.

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