As Predicted: Obamacare Has Higher Than Average Out of Pocket Costs

With the law having been enacted in 2010, it's far too late for someone to still not know how the subsidies are funded.

But I'm feeling generous. Here we go. Think small tax increases on investment income earned by wealthier people, a raised cap on the deductibility of medical expenses, an increased penalty on non-qualified HSA distributions, and (beginning in 2018) an excise tax on premium plans.

At this point, with all the info widely available, ignorance must be very hard work.
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
. . . They hemmed and hawed but finally came clean and said it would most likely not work in the USA. I finally got them to tell me why they felt that way. They said we have a whole segment of society in the US that takes advantage of everything and they would abuse the system to the point that it would fail. I must say I have never seen so much civic pride as I did when I was there. I saw no litter and everything was so clean I couldn't get over it.

For the record, DonDiego's neighborhood is also litter free.

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They said we have a whole segment of society in the US that takes advantage of everything and they would abuse the system to the point that it would fail.


If you remember back in the 1970s that was the con the Insurance Industry pulled on us. We had to start paying co-pays on prescription drugs and doctors visits because people were taking advantage of the poor helpless and feeble insurance companies. They said if we make them pay a little over and above a deductible and co-insurance people will think about it before they go to the doctor and these additional new out of pocket costs will magically lower insurance rates, but we know now the rates never went down and the co-pays just kept going up. I can't imagine anyone thinks going to the doctor's office or hospital as a fun filled experience that they want more of. Someone like that would be the exception not the rule.

This sort of thinking was a ruse that was thought up and promoted by the insurance industry to increase their profits. It shows you how effective propaganda campaigns can be if Canadians accept it as a truth. Obamacare is just the latest in a long line of ruses by the insurance companies to get you to pay more for your health care.
Does anyone know if it is based on your AGI or gross income, After IRA? after HSA? I hope it is cause I would pay next to nothing. HAHAHAHA like I believe that.

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Originally posted by: drmilled
I asked previously in another topic-- forkush says " the rates for the family of four,... is being subsidized by the government" - JUST WHERE are the FUNDS that will be used to "subsidized" the rates being funded coming from? Where are these funds that will be used? Well...? And where did/do they come from...?


There was a wide array of payment measures in the law...and the cbo concludes the law is paid for and then some. Thats 180 degrees opposite of the Medicare plan passed by the fiscal champions of the previous administration you voted for twice.

But lets see if you can play defense for once. Who pays for the emergency room cAre of 30 million uninsured people in the system you passionately wish to go back to? Where do we get those funds from? Do the math and get back to us.
Having been in the EMS business for 30 plus years I strongly feel everyone should have to pay something for health insurance. We called them frequent flyers in my business. These were the uninsured who would take a $500.00 ambulance ride to the ER because they were out of meds and had no way to get them refilled. So they would take an ambulance to the ER and get some new meds with Joe taxpayer picking up the tab. There was plenty of money for beer and cable just no money for insurance. Oh did I mention a cell phone too.

I gave plenty of people rides to the ER for everything from nose bleeds to head aches to a cut finger that could be fixed with a band aid. The abuse of the EMS system is enough to make you sick and guess what most of these frequent fliers are uninsured and we pick up the tab.

I remember responding to a pregnancy where there was nothing wrong it was just that her husband worked nights and he was too tired to drive her to the hospital. So yep we gave her a $500.00 cab ride and you can guess who paid for that and the delivery.

Imagine if we didn't make people buy car insurance and then we as taxpayers had to pay for any injuries or car repairs the uninsured had. That is how our healthcare work now in this country.

I still wonder why an education is a right in this country and healthcare isn't.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: drmilled
I asked previously in another topic-- forkush says " the rates for the family of four,... is being subsidized by the government" - JUST WHERE are the FUNDS that will be used to "subsidized" the rates being funded coming from? Where are these funds that will be used? Well...? And where did/do they come from...?


There was a wide array of payment measures in the law...and the cbo concludes the law is paid for and then some. Thats 180 degrees opposite of the Medicare plan passed by the fiscal champions of the previous administration you voted for twice.

But lets see if you can play defense for once. Who pays for the emergency room cAre of 30 million uninsured people in the system you passionately wish to go back to? Where do we get those funds from? Do the math and get back to us.


I call bullshit. I rode through your neighborhood and saw where somebody hurled fresh tomatoes at Obama signs.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
. . . They hemmed and hawed but finally came clean and said it would most likely not work in the USA. I finally got them to tell me why they felt that way. They said we have a whole segment of society in the US that takes advantage of everything and they would abuse the system to the point that it would fail. I must say I have never seen so much civic pride as I did when I was there. I saw no litter and everything was so clean I couldn't get over it.

For the record, DonDiego's neighborhood is also litter free.


I am somewhat lucky I pay roughly $400 a month in cash to see my family doctor and get my meds refilled. Of course I am only able to get by this frugally by ignoring all that advice about getting tests, blood work and ect. My wife wasn't so lucky she had a serious condition and ran up about 30k in bills before her insurance ran out and then another 100k in un insured expenses.

No specialists in our area will see her because she has no insurance so she is frequent flyer you might say. If she quits taking her meds because she doesn't get a refill her lungs close up and she will Asphyxiate. Funny thing is the cost of her going to the specialist once a month and paying cash for the meds and visits over the course of a year would keep us in cable television, cell phones and beer for the rest our lives with money to spare.

Her Insurance before she lost it was right at $1500 a month just for her (COBRA) if she paid that she still had $600 a month in Co-Pays for prescription drugs and Specialists visits. Co-insurance and deductibles added then another 6k a year or ($500 a month). Golly, if only I had thought to cancel my cable TV and cell service everything would be great right now.

At this point I don't feel too bad about soaking the taxpayers frequently and in large sums. I must tell you it is a really delightful sort of pleasure I take when they send the hospital financial person around to her room shortly after she is admitted and they ask how we plan to pay for this I just look them in the eye chuckle and say we don't.



I don't think most people have a realistic idea of just how expensive health care is.


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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Having been in the EMS business for 30 plus years I strongly feel everyone should have to pay something for health insurance. We called them frequent flyers in my business. These were the uninsured who would take a $500.00 ambulance ride to the ER because they were out of meds and had no way to get them refilled. So they would take an ambulance to the ER and get some new meds with Joe taxpayer picking up the tab. There was plenty of money for beer and cable just no money for insurance. Oh did I mention a cell phone too.

I gave plenty of people rides to the ER for everything from nose bleeds to head aches to a cut finger that could be fixed with a band aid. The abuse of the EMS system is enough to make you sick and guess what most of these frequent fliers are uninsured and we pick up the tab.

I remember responding to a pregnancy where there was nothing wrong it was just that her husband worked nights and he was too tired to drive her to the hospital. So yep we gave her a $500.00 cab ride and you can guess who paid for that and the delivery.

Imagine if we didn't make people buy car insurance and then we as taxpayers had to pay for any injuries or car repairs the uninsured had. That is how our healthcare work now in this country.

I still wonder why an education is a right in this country and healthcare isn't.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: drmilled
I asked previously in another topic-- forkush says " the rates for the family of four,... is being subsidized by the government" - JUST WHERE are the FUNDS that will be used to "subsidized" the rates being funded coming from? Where are these funds that will be used? Well...? And where did/do they come from...?


There was a wide array of payment measures in the law...and the cbo concludes the law is paid for and then some. Thats 180 degrees opposite of the Medicare plan passed by the fiscal champions of the previous administration you voted for twice.

But lets see if you can play defense for once. Who pays for the emergency room cAre of 30 million uninsured people in the system you passionately wish to go back to? Where do we get those funds from? Do the math and get back to us.



Exactly the point I was trying to make. People don't seem to get the fact that we as taxpayers are still paying for the uninsured in this country. They lose their minds over Obamacare but they fail to realize we are already paying for people like your wife, who by no fault of her own wound up uninsured. Of course there are always the deadbeats who just don't want to be responsible for themselves or their family and we foot the bill for them on several fronts.

My biggest gripe with Obama and Obamacare is he tried to make everyone happy and watered this thing down to the point where nobody wound up happy. He should have just followed Canada's lead and made it true socialized medicine. BTW have you ever checked into what it would take for your wife to become a Canadian citizen and get on their healthcare system. It may be an option.

As far as how expensive healthcare is I have a pretty good idea. The COBRA for my wife and myself is $1200.00 a month and then we have another $200.00 a month in meds.


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Originally posted by: malibber2
I am somewhat lucky I pay roughly $400 a month in cash to see my family doctor and get my meds refilled. Of course I only able to get by this frugally by ignoring all that advice about getting tests, blood work and ect. My wife wasn't so lucky she had a serious condition and ran up about 30k in bills before her insurance ran out and then another 100k in un insured expenses.

At this point I don't feel too bad about soaking the taxpayers frequently and in large sums. I must tell you it is a really delightful sort of pleasure I take when they send the hospital financial person around to her room shortly after she is admitted and they ask how we plan to pay for this I just look them in the eye chuckle and say we don't.



I don't think most people don't have a realistic idea of just how expensive health care is.


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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Having been in the EMS business for 30 plus years I strongly feel everyone should have to pay something for health insurance. We called them frequent flyers in my business. These were the uninsured who would take a $500.00 ambulance ride to the ER because they were out of meds and had no way to get them refilled. So they would take an ambulance to the ER and get some new meds with Joe taxpayer picking up the tab. There was plenty of money for beer and cable just no money for insurance. Oh did I mention a cell phone too.

I gave plenty of people rides to the ER for everything from nose bleeds to head aches to a cut finger that could be fixed with a band aid. The abuse of the EMS system is enough to make you sick and guess what most of these frequent fliers are uninsured and we pick up the tab.

I remember responding to a pregnancy where there was nothing wrong it was just that her husband worked nights and he was too tired to drive her to the hospital. So yep we gave her a $500.00 cab ride and you can guess who paid for that and the delivery.

Imagine if we didn't make people buy car insurance and then we as taxpayers had to pay for any injuries or car repairs the uninsured had. That is how our healthcare work now in this country.

I still wonder why an education is a right in this country and healthcare isn't.

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Originally posted by: MIKEY7777
Does anyone know if it is based on your AGI or gross income, After IRA? after HSA? I hope it is cause I would pay next to nothing. HAHAHAHA like I believe that.
It's based on your Modified Adjusted Gross Income or MAGI, which is your Adjusted Gross Income (line 21 on 1040A, or line 37 on 1040), but then if you have tax exempt income, that might have to be added in also.
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