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Tutontow
Tutontow
Sep 29, 2013
12:24am
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Bob, we constantly suggested they take a cab, or drive themselves. The deal is no EMS service would ever refuse transport because the liability would be too high. What would kill us is when we were wasting our time giving some deadbeat a ride to the farthest hospital and right a round the corner there was a true medical emergency.


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Having been in the EMS business for 30 plus years I strongly feel everyone should have to pay something for health insurance. We called them frequent flyers in my business. These were the uninsured who would take a $500.00 ambulance ride to the ER because they were out of meds and had no way to get them refilled. So they would take an ambulance to the ER and get some new meds with Joe taxpayer picking up the tab. There was plenty of money for beer and cable just no money for insurance. Oh did I mention a cell phone too.

I gave plenty of people rides to the ER for everything from nose bleeds to head aches to a cut finger that could be fixed with a band aid. The abuse of the EMS system is enough to make you sick and guess what most of these frequent fliers are uninsured and we pick up the tab.

I remember responding to a pregnancy where there was nothing wrong it was just that her husband worked nights and he was too tired to drive her to the hospital. So yep we gave her a $500.00 cab ride and you can guess who paid for that and the delivery.

Did you or the entity you worked for ever offer or suggest non-emergency medical transportation at a much lower cost?

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Imagine if we didn't make people buy car insurance and then we as taxpayers had to pay for any injuries or car repairs the uninsured had. That is how our healthcare work now in this country.


The IRS won't fine you for not buying car insurance even if you don't drive. Insurance is a commodity. Protection bought by people who believe they need it. It is possible to be self-insured while driving a car and be completely within the law...for now.


forkushV
forkushV
Sep 29, 2013
1:27am
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV But there is good news. Actuaries tell us that a lot of these Republican primary voters will be deceased very soon

The death of people who disagree with you is good news to you. Nice...
Or as Steve Jobs put it, "Death is very likely the single best invention of life"

No, I'm not wishing death on anyone, just stating the obvious fact that the incoming generation is made of much finer people than their elders. They are less likely to discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. They are less likely to try to impose their version of the deity in the sky on others. In short, they are less judgmental and less cowardly

And don't think I am discriminating against old people. The very old folks, you know, The Greatest Generation, were also pretty great in their own way. It's their children who didn't turn out so good.
Don
Don
Sep 29, 2013
1:42am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And don't think I am discriminating against old people. The very old folks, you know, The Greatest Generation, were also pretty great in their own way. It's their children who didn't turn out so good.
BobOrme and poor old DonDiego are indeed blessed that their paths have crossed with forkushV, so that they may be advised of their faults, . . . imaginary and otherwise.
forkushV
forkushV
Sep 29, 2013
6:42am
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And don't think I am discriminating against old people. The very old folks, you know, The Greatest Generation, were also pretty great in their own way. It's their children who didn't turn out so good.
BobOrme and poor old DonDiego are indeed blessed that their paths have crossed with forkushV, so that they may be advised of their faults, . . . imaginary and otherwise.
So when I point out that the older generation is worse than the younger when it comes to bigotry, theocracy, and cowardice, DonDiego assumes those criticisms apply to him personally.

So who am I to argue with that?


Don
Don
Sep 29, 2013
8:48am
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Originally posted by: forkushV
So when I point out that the older generation is worse than the younger when it comes to bigotry, theocracy, and cowardice, DonDiego assumes those criticisms apply to him personally.

No. Those are the imaginary ones.

motownbob
motownbob
Sep 29, 2013
10:40am
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"No, I'm not wishing death on anyone, just stating the obvious fact that the incoming generation is made of much finer people than their elders. They are less likely to discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. They are less likely to try to impose their version of the deity in the sky on others. In short, they are less judgmental and less cowardly"

Your opinion is just that, your opinion . Can't even begin to back it up with fact . So it really isn't an OVIOUS FACT. Bob
forkushV
forkushV
Sep 29, 2013
11:36am
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Originally posted by: motownbob
"No, I'm not wishing death on anyone, just stating the obvious fact that the incoming generation is made of much finer people than their elders. They are less likely to discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. They are less likely to try to impose their version of the deity in the sky on others. In short, they are less judgmental and less cowardly"


Your opinion is just that, your opinion . Can't even begin to back it up with fact . So it really isn't an OVIOUS FACT. Bob


BobOrme
BobOrme
Sep 29, 2013
3:30pm
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I think you misunderstood my question. There are medical transportation services available for non-emergency transportation. I called a local ambulance company to pick up and transport my dad using their non-emergency service after he fell down and couldn't get up. I couldn't lift him and carry him to my car. The non-emergency medical transportation service cost was $75. Calling for emergency ambulance service from the same company would have cost much, much more. "Take a cab" or "drive yourself" isn't always possible. There are businesses with trained people whose only service is non-emergency medical transportation at substantially lower costs than a ride in a full-on sirens and lights flashing ambulance. Not offering or not knowing about such alternatives smells like management sticking the tax payers for $500 per ride when they could do better. Much better. As long as they can bill the government without question, they'll keep doing it.

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Bob, we constantly suggested they take a cab, or drive themselves. The deal is no EMS service would ever refuse transport because the liability would be too high. What would kill us is when we were wasting our time giving some deadbeat a ride to the farthest hospital and right a round the corner there was a true medical emergency.


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Having been in the EMS business for 30 plus years I strongly feel everyone should have to pay something for health insurance. We called them frequent flyers in my business. These were the uninsured who would take a $500.00 ambulance ride to the ER because they were out of meds and had no way to get them refilled. So they would take an ambulance to the ER and get some new meds with Joe taxpayer picking up the tab. There was plenty of money for beer and cable just no money for insurance. Oh did I mention a cell phone too.

I gave plenty of people rides to the ER for everything from nose bleeds to head aches to a cut finger that could be fixed with a band aid. The abuse of the EMS system is enough to make you sick and guess what most of these frequent fliers are uninsured and we pick up the tab.

I remember responding to a pregnancy where there was nothing wrong it was just that her husband worked nights and he was too tired to drive her to the hospital. So yep we gave her a $500.00 cab ride and you can guess who paid for that and the delivery.

Did you or the entity you worked for ever offer or suggest non-emergency medical transportation at a much lower cost?

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Originally posted by: Tutontow
Imagine if we didn't make people buy car insurance and then we as taxpayers had to pay for any injuries or car repairs the uninsured had. That is how our healthcare work now in this country.


The IRS won't fine you for not buying car insurance even if you don't drive. Insurance is a commodity. Protection bought by people who believe they need it. It is possible to be self-insured while driving a car and be completely within the law...for now.


BobOrme
BobOrme
Sep 29, 2013
3:55pm
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: forkushV But there is good news. Actuaries tell us that a lot of these Republican primary voters will be deceased very soon

The death of people who disagree with you is good news to you. Nice...
Or as Steve Jobs put it, "Death is very likely the single best invention of life"

No, I'm not wishing death on anyone, just stating the obvious fact that the incoming generation is made of much finer people than their elders. They are less likely to discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. They are less likely to try to impose their version of the deity in the sky on others. In short, they are less judgmental and less cowardly

And don't think I am discriminating against old people. The very old folks, you know, The Greatest Generation, were also pretty great in their own way. It's their children who didn't turn out so good.

Actually it's pretty clear, no matter what spin you try to put on your own words. You harbor intolerance over baby boomers. You state it is good news that they are an aging population and will die in a time frame favorable to your agenda. You suggest that younger people share your intolerance while also suggesting they are more tolerant of people than the previous generation. Liberal indoctrination within the public school system has indeed infected the minds of this nation's young people. It has and does teach intolerance of people who don't think or believe the same as they do. Your own words are that of a bigot, and you don't even realize that, much less understand it.
BobOrme
BobOrme
Sep 29, 2013
4:02pm
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
And don't think I am discriminating against old people. The very old folks, you know, The Greatest Generation, were also pretty great in their own way. It's their children who didn't turn out so good.
BobOrme and poor old DonDiego are indeed blessed that their paths have crossed with forkushV, so that they may be advised of their faults, . . . imaginary and otherwise.

....and HE has a problem with intolerant people.
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