cigarette smoke in casinos

You can compare casinos to "college classrooms, hospitals, grocery stores, public busses, churches, and airplanes" all you want. Strawman.

Don't like smoke in a casino? Don't go. If there was market demand for non-smoking casinos, there would be more non-smoking casinos. Vote with your wagers.

Gee. People who gamble also like to drink and smoke. Who knew?
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Originally posted by: cjlinst
Except that nobody is forcing you to go into a place where smoking is allowed.

There is also a legal doctrine called "coming to the nuisance." If you buy land and move in next door to a rifle range, don't expect them to change their ways because you don't like the noise. This doctrine should apply to you knowingly and willingly walking into a smoky casino.


Wow ! Logic...pure and simple !

Well said.

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Originally posted by: ken2v
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Originally posted by: cjlinst
Except that nobody is forcing you to go into a place where smoking is allowed.

There is also a legal doctrine called "coming to the nuisance." If you buy land and move in next door to a rifle range, don't expect them to change their ways because you don't like the noise. This doctrine should apply to you knowingly and willingly walking into a smoky casino.


Yet a casino is a place of public accommodation, so the common weal does "intrude." Always has. My choice is not being forced to endure a public nuisance and a health risk, not in how I choose my recreation. Should "freedom" extend to smoking in college classrooms and hospitals and grocery stores, public busses, churches, airplanes?

This isn't a rights issue any more than the banning of DDT. It's a public health problem and a nuisance, and it is going away.


Ken, Ken, Ken
Whoa .... not ONE single rational person here is advocating that smoking be allowed in any place where it has been deemed to be banned. (Classrooms, churches, etc., etc.)
However, if you go to a "public" firing range (for example) you're advocating that it is your "right" to be able to walk "anywhere" on that property. I submit to you that ALTHOUGH you are correct it would be incredibly stupid to walk out and around the target area. By all means, feel free, but I would "suggest" to you that you are being INCREDIBLY "stupid" !
It is your "right" to enter a casino that allows smoking! However, if you find it offensive or threatening to your health you might want to re-think your decision. ONCE AGAIN .... By all means, feel free, but I would "suggest" to you that you are being INCREDIBLY "stupid" !
Being "right" does not preclude stupidity. Those of us who WISH to be "stupid" aslo are entitled (?) to our "rights".
Once more... we ALL need to be "responsible" for our own decisions. Stop trying to blame the "other" guys" and make it their fault for one's own stupidity.
If people were not so ignorant about their perceived "smokers rights" we would not be having this inane conversation. As the adage goes, "argue with a fool and they call you foolish".

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Originally posted by: drmilled
If people were not so ignorant about their perceived "smokers rights" we would not be having this inane conversation. As the adage goes, "argue with a fool and they call you foolish".


I know you're not talking to me. I don't smoke.

Do you have any idea how bigoted you sound?
I thought the OP in this thread was primarily about the people who work in the casinos who have to breathe that crap in 8 hours a day while they make their living?

yes, you can say "well, if they don't like it, they can go work somewhere else". But it is not like there are more jobs than people in this country right now. For many people working in casinos, that is about the best job they can get at their education level. And I cringe every time I see a dealer with a table full of smokers

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Originally posted by: cjlinst
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Originally posted by: drmilled
If people were not so ignorant about their perceived "smokers rights" we would not be having this inane conversation. As the adage goes, "argue with a fool and they call you foolish".


I know you're not talking to me. I don't smoke.

Do you have any idea how bigoted you sound?


Hmmm ... apparently smoker's rights are "perceived". Non-smoker's rights are "real".

Always amazed ... it's always the NON-smokers who bring the subject up. Hmmm (?)
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Originally posted by: ken2v
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Originally posted by: cjlinst
Except that nobody is forcing you to go into a place where smoking is allowed.

There is also a legal doctrine called "coming to the nuisance." If you buy land and move in next door to a rifle range, don't expect them to change their ways because you don't like the noise. This doctrine should apply to you knowingly and willingly walking into a smoky casino.


Yet a casino is a place of public accommodation, so the common weal does "intrude." Always has. My choice is not being forced to endure a public nuisance and a health risk, not in how I choose my recreation. Should "freedom" extend to smoking in college classrooms and hospitals and grocery stores, public busses, churches, airplanes?

This isn't a rights issue any more than the banning of DDT. It's a public health problem and a nuisance, and it is going away.

Casinos are private property with public access. Accommodation is still up to the property owner when the government isn't dictating every condition of their business. You are not "forced to endure" what you view as a public nuisance or health risk. You want to force business owners to accommodate your personal preferences by government fiat instead of what those businesses see as profitable business models. Smoking regs in Las Vegas have already been changed in recent years to accommodate your preferences in many areas within those private properties.

I would suggest that any government entity that bans the use of tobacco products on either public or private property also be banned from collecting and keeping the taxes imposed on those tobacco products. In fact, they should be issuing tax refunds to every smoker that has been paying the highest tax rates on any single product ever made in the USA. You don't want smoking to exist, make it illegal.

I'm old enough to have legally smoked in hospitals, grocery stores, in airports and on airplanes, and on public buses. The health issues are grossly overblown, and in most cases concerning second hand smoke, they are fraudulent. I've been smoking for 44 years. If second hand smoke was such a health threat, first hand smoke most certainly should have killed me decades ago.

I'll say it again. Don't want smoking to exist, ban it. Make the sale of any tobacco product illegal and quit picking my pocket for tax dollars that promote government sanctioned discrimination against me for using those products.
I have no problem with smokers - but I do not want to sit next to them.
So split the casino into smoking and non-smoking areas. Problem solved.
BobbyBoy, you can have all your political angst played out here, if not there.

Cheers.
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