Corporations now have religious freedom

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot

How is that not a smart dollar for goverment to spend?

Well, for starters most women and men used to buy their own birth control back in the olden days. So why is it smart for the Government to spend taxpayer money on items that most citizens would gladly pay for themselves?

Isn't it more effective to focus our scarce resources on the people who can't even afford a condom, rather than supply birth control for the rich?

If you read that link I provided I think it gets real interesting with these companies that want to deny morning after pills. How does that work? If a women gets raped does she have to call her boss and ask him to make a determination if it was a "legitimate" rape and covered by company insurance?

If it were up to me Alan the government would provide anyone and everyone birth control. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money in the long run. In other words it would be the most efficient allocation of scarce resources.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Isn't it more effective to focus our scarce resources on the people who can't even afford a condom, rather than supply birth control for the rich?
Yes, we should begin by spending our first birth control dollars for those least likely to be able to pay for it themselves. And we should spend our last birth control dollars on those most likely to be able to pay for it themselves.

But government's not always that efficient. And so we shouldn't let our fear that some wealthier people get free birth control freak us out so much that poorer people don't get what they really need. Put another way, we should err on the side of spending too much on birth control, but try our darndest to get it exactly right.

What's interesting is that insurers love it when their insureds have good access to birth control, it costs a lot of money to pay for the birth and health care of an unwanted child. Hobby Lobby will pay significantly more money to insure its employees as a result of its victory today.

Ideally, Hobby Lobby should cancel their company policy, use the savings to pay their employees better, and let the employees buy their own policies via an Obamacare exchange. But our ridiculous tax code gives Hobby Lobby such a strong incentive to choose its employees' policies that it won't do what's right. And so today's result is economically terrible pretty much all around, with government effectively subsidizing an employer's religious-based decision to give its employees inferior insurance that'll cost taxpayers more.

But hooray Jesus!
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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
I dont agree with the verdict but i dont think the floodgates have been opened. I dont know why the court agreed to take the case. Its probably the most timid verdict Ive ever seen. The court agrees with the plaintiff but makes the effort to say the case should not be a precedent for other kinds of employer religious beliefs. Did they just flip a coin?

Ill be interested to see what happens to Hobby Lobby sales over the next few quarters. Considering the overwhelming majority of their customers are women it will be interesting to see if there is any consumer backlash. Might be a good time to buy stock in Michael's



You really think that women took a job at HL for free birth control or more importantly, that they would actually leave because no more free BC?


No...but I think a lot of Hobby Lobby's customers are women...many who believe an employer should not be determining the medical options for its employees...so they take their business elsewhere.

The fascinating thing about this verdict is the revelation that conservatives don't mind so much when outside entities come between a person and their doctor...just so long as it is not derived from Obama somehow.


To commemorate their victory before the Supreme Court, the folks at Hobby Lobby are pleased to announce a brand new line of cross-stitch products:

It was a very specific ruling on four of the twenty available birth control options. Hobby Lobby would still have to make the other 16 birth control options available. The majority ruling made it appear that those other four options denied by Hobby Lobby would be made available from the government.
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Originally posted by: malibber2If it were up to me Alan the government would provide anyone and everyone birth control. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money in the long run. In other words it would be the most efficient allocation of scarce resources.

Well if it was up to me, people who could afford it would by their own birth control. People who couldn't afford it would get it free from your charitable organization.

Of course if I was in charge, these $40 morning after pills would cost the same as an aspirin because drug companies wouldn't have the same patent and turf protection under AlanLeroyCare.

So, anyone who wants birth control can get it and it doesn't cost taxpayers a cent. The only way it doesn't work is if it isn't an important enough cause and people don't support it financially. That would be a shame.

It will be interesting to see if with all this free birth control will the number of abortions decline drastically. If not, why not?

"Hobby Lobby would still have to make the other 16 birth control options available"

They already agreed to make the other forms available. They objected to the abortion type drugs,

Actually this was an edict from obama as this provision wasn't in the original law.

Companies should be allowed to provided benefits as they see fit.

Interesting that the 2 biggest whiners on this are forky and chilly who don't have jobs
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Oh my. Take care of yourselves people.


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Originally posted by: malibber2
If you read that link I provided I think it gets real interesting with these companies that want to deny morning after pills. How does that work? If a women gets raped does she have to call her boss and ask him to make a determination if it was a "legitimate" rape and covered by company insurance?

If it were up to me Alan the government would provide anyone and everyone birth control. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money in the long run. In other words it would be the most efficient allocation of scarce resources.


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