Corporations now have religious freedom

Here's a thought. We should expect no government money be spent on any medical expenses. People should not be relying on the government, but instead be EXPECTED to take care of themselves.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Isn't it more effective to focus our scarce resources on the people who can't even afford a condom, rather than supply birth control for the rich?
Yes, we should begin by spending our first birth control dollars for those least likely to be able to pay for it themselves. And we should spend our last birth control dollars on those most likely to be able to pay for it themselves.

But government's not always that efficient. And so we shouldn't let our fear that some wealthier people get free birth control freak us out so much that poorer people don't get what they really need. Put another way, we should err on the side of spending too much on birth control, but try our darndest to get it exactly right.

What's interesting is that insurers love it when their insureds have good access to birth control, it costs a lot of money to pay for the birth and health care of an unwanted child. Hobby Lobby will pay significantly more money to insure its employees as a result of its victory today.

Ideally, Hobby Lobby should cancel their company policy, use the savings to pay their employees better, and let the employees buy their own policies via an Obamacare exchange. But our ridiculous tax code gives Hobby Lobby such a strong incentive to choose its employees' policies that it won't do what's right. And so today's result is economically terrible pretty much all around, with government effectively subsidizing an employer's religious-based decision to give its employees inferior insurance that'll cost taxpayers more.

But hooray Jesus!


That explains a lot.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Hobby Lobby would still have to make the other 16 birth control options available"

They already agreed to make the other forms available. They objected to the abortion type drugs,

Actually this was an edict from obama as this provision wasn't in the original law.

Companies should be allowed to provided benefits as they see fit.

Interesting that the 2 biggest whiners on this are forky and chilly who don't have jobs


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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Hobby Lobby would still have to make the other 16 birth control options available"

They already agreed to make the other forms available. They objected to the abortion type drugs...
So what? What if the next corporation objected to all twenty - for religious reasons. Or vaccinations, or blood transfusions, or anti-depressants - for religious reasons.

Would ALL of these religious objections be legitimate. Or are certain religions more equal than others?
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here's a thought. We should expect no government money be spent on any medical expenses...
In contrast, here's an intelligent thought: That decision has already been made by our elected representatives. And it has nothing to do with this case.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: hoops2
"Hobby Lobby would still have to make the other 16 birth control options available"

They already agreed to make the other forms available. They objected to the abortion type drugs...
So what? What if the next corporation objected to all twenty - for religious reasons. Or vaccinations, or blood transfusions, or anti-depressants - for religious reasons.

Would ALL of these religious objections be legitimate. Or are certain religions more equal than others?


In the majority opinion written by Justice Alito, he specifies that the ruling applies only to the contraceptive mandate, and states that it should not be understood to include to other insurance mandates, like those for blood transfusions or vaccinations.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here's a thought. We should expect no government money be spent on any medical expenses...
In contrast, here's an intelligent thought: That decision has already been made by our elected representatives. And it has nothing to do with this case.

Well if that's your only argument we could also say the Religious Freedom Restoration Act upon which the current case was actually decided was passed nearly unanimously and signed into law by bill Clinton...so really this decision has already been made by our elected representatives too.

If congress didn't mean for the RFRA to apply to closely held corporations, by all means they should amend it and make that clear.

Forkie tells us that discussing settled issues is a dumb idea. I'll fill you in on a little known fact, the issue you're discussing has been settled by the Supreme Court.


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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here's a thought. We should expect no government money be spent on any medical expenses...
In contrast, here's an intelligent thought: That decision has already been made by our elected representatives. And it has nothing to do with this case.


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Originally posted by: hoops2
Interesting that the 2 biggest whiners on this are forky and chilly who don't have jobs
Stay classy, hoops2.
My company refuses to buy my a gun, infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights.
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