The Government Has Shut Down [01OCT2013]

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Originally posted by: marcisdave
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
Democrats voting against any type of government spending is performing an unnatural act on their part.

Selective closures and furloughs being done are just that. Selective. Pick stuff that will make people angry and hope the MSM blames those not responsible for them. Demonize them for trying to stop what you are doing, all the while claiming they are doing it, and hope the MSM shoves that crap down the collective throats of the citizens of this country. The MSM is an absolute accomplice to the fraud that is Obama and the Democrat party...
Really? Look what I found in the Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal:




Careful Forkush......when you shove actual facts and figures at the right winger and tea bagger sheep.....they tend to get all flustered and discombobulated.

Next thing you know......we'll get a long winded, confusing, and contradictory 3 paragraph statement from Appalachian Country !


His chart has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Forkush deflects away from the topic at hand. Some times that all he can do.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh As to Don Diego's opinion about delaying the mandate in the ACA...there's nothing wrong with having different opinions and wanting to negotiate. Most Democrats would love to negotiate an entire host of issues with Republicans: Immigration Reform, gun laws, a new voting rights act...just to name a few.


Obama has unilaterally made 19 changes to the ACA without the consent of Congress or the authority granted to the President by the constitution. No need to negotiate a thing when the President believes he has ultimate power to manipulate law to exempt select specific groups from the law. When members of Congress want to actually do some of the same things for everyone affected by this law, the answer is NO. You must fund the law that I have mutated without negotiation at any level.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh But here's the thing: I don't know of any Washington Democrats, their pundits, or anyone in their base that would think its an acceptable tactic to shutdown the US Federal Government as means to force the other side's hand in such negotiations.


Democrats shut down the government 7 times while Reagan was President.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh And that's really the difference. And the idea that Republicans think they are doing Democrats and the country a big favor by choosing select parts of the government to fund in the middle of their little game isn't fooling anyone .


That you think funding parts of the government is a Republican "game" or some kind of ploy to gain favor in the public eye is ignorant of what has been happening since October 1st. Most of the government has been and is still being funded. The only games being played come straight from the White House. Obama is selecting what parts of government are actually shut down, including privately funded historic sites and shutting off public access to businesses. You must be so proud!
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
...His chart has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Forkush deflects away from the topic at hand. Some times that all he can do.

BobOrme, you wrote: "Democrats voting against any type of government spending is performing an unnatural act on their part."

And I responded with:




I realize that "deflect" is your new word of the day, but that chart is exactly on point. And it's from Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal, so there goes your other tired argument.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
...His chart has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. Forkush deflects away from the topic at hand. Some times that all he can do.

BobOrme, you wrote: "Democrats voting against any type of government spending is performing an unnatural act on their part."

And I responded with:




I realize that "deflect" is your new word of the day, but that chart is exactly on point. And it's from Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal, so there goes your other tired argument.

Deflect is what you do and have done for years. Nothing new about it and certainly not the first time I've called you on it. Democrats keep increasing spending. You think the chart somehow shows that they don't. It in fact shows that they do.


The GOP Education continues. Today yet another group proves to be quite an embarrassing target of the Boehner shutdown.

Families of fallen soldiers get stiffed

We should all be on pins and needsles now while the GOP rushes to put together another puzzle piece bill to save face. What group will embarrass the GOP tomorrow? Stay tuned.
Money was approved, but the DOD has chosen not to pay for it; which makes it an administration issue
Hoops is absolutely correct on that one PJ. I saw that on the local news yesterday yesterday and indeed the the admin decided they wouldn't pay for it.
But you are also correct in that the house quick;y put together a bill to make funding for whatever section that part of govt. is. Not sure if the sen. passed it or not.
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Originally posted by: jatki99
Hoops is absolutely correct on that one PJ. I saw that on the local news yesterday yesterday and indeed the the admin decided they wouldn't pay for it.
But you are also correct in that the house quick;y put together a bill to make funding for whatever section that part of govt. is. Not sure if the sen. passed it or not.


It was part of the military pay bill that was approved by Congress & signed by obama 2 weeks ago
So can two pay this game?

I mean what if Democrats shut down the government unless we cancel the law that prohibits Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices? Or how about if we shut it down unless tax laws that allow Exxon and Facebook and Romney to pay zero federal income taxes are changed? Or shut it down over allowing unlimited campaign contributions from corporations?

It's a serious question. Would it be okay if the Democrats did it? (My answer is no.)
And a partial bill has been tallied for the cost of the Republican Temper Tantrum...oh, I mean government shutdown. Its still an open question as to what the lingering effect will be on holiday shopping...or what consumer behavior results from the anticipation of the next deadline in January.

S&P says 24 billion lost in economy...Moody's says 23 Billion

Bloomberg - Consumer Confidence plunges right before Holiday Shopping Season

I sure hope the electricity stays on. Christmas is much prettier with all those decorative lights
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