I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
He sent me a PDF copy of his plan, which unfortunately isn't legible once I've converted it to Word. Here's exactly what it shows. I noticed that Nicks plan is ACA HSA Compliant, yet you apparently don't concern yourself with such unimportant things. Nick apparently does, however. Blue Cross offers many non-compliant plans for less money, like the one that you posted.

1/1/2014
ACA
HSA Compliant
Blue PPO
Bronze 06
Monthly Premium: $842.44...
Anyone who says that is the healthcare.gov rate is lying, and anyone with half a brain can prove it in about five minutes. Maybe even jatki too - although I'm sure it would take considerably longer. Here's how:

  • Go to https://www.healthcare.gov/
  • Click See Plans
  • Select Myself and my family
  • Select Health
  • Select Illinois
  • Select Cook County
  • Choose person#1: 54
  • Choose person#2: 53
  • Choose person#3: 19
  • Select No Employer Health Coverage Available
  • Enter $1,000,000 income
  • Click View Marketplace plans

    Voila! Proof that either I or Boilerman is a lying sack. Predictions anyone?
  • hoops2 brings up President Obama.

    Despite the fact that President Obama never said that "no ones [sic] premiums would increase" following the enactment of Obamacare. In fact no one said that.

    Watch as both Boilerman and hoops2 fail at finding President Obama saying "no ones [sic] premiums would increase". Never happened.

    They got nothing.
    One side keeps pointing to published statistics, published coverage rates, published costs, and published rules in the law.

    The other side keeps pointing to uncited anecodotes about how their best friend's, cousin's, former roomate knew a guy that screwed by Obamacare.

    I've pretty much reached the same point on Obamacare that I reached on the birther conspiracy. Its not worth arguing anymore. Its better to just point and laugh.
    Yes, I'll have that done soon. Please check regularly.


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    Originally posted by: hoops2
    Boiler,

    Can you please supply us with a notarized copy of the proposal?



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    Originally posted by: hoops2
    More Lies:

    Ayala has high blood pressure, high cholesterol and is at high risk for breast cancer. She had to travel three hours to visit a doctor covered under her exchange plan, Nevada Health Co-Op. The only gynecologist she has access to has been fined by three state governments for violating standards of care.


    Johanna Benthel: The 17-year-old has had 84 surgeries over her life due to congenital malformations in her brain. Her mother, Eileen, said her family policy was cancelled last year. Last year Johanna was treated in at a clinic at the University of Chicago. Eileen says the new policy they have offers no coverage for going out of New York and they have lost coverage for one of their doctors.


    Larry Basich: Basich underwent open-heart surgery in early January. The UnitedHealthCare plan he signed up for on Nevada’s exchange claims they have no record of him and will not cover his surgery. Xerox, a contractor for the Nevada exchange, says Basich signed up with a different insurer. Right now Baisch is liable for $407,000 in costs for his treatment.


    Gloria Cantor: Gloria and her husband, Jay, received a letter from their Florida insurance company saying their plan would be cancelled in 2014 because of Obamacare. Gloria is fighting cancer and her physicians could not assure her that they will take her new plan.


    Josie Gracchi: Gracchi’s insurance plan rolled over into a new plan that was on the exchange in New York. As a result, the physicians who were treating her for breast cancer were no longer part of her network. A January 3 biopsy and subsequent surgery were delayed as a result.


    Lenny Hubbs: Mr. Hubbs had insurance through his wife, Laura. Then, due to the costs of Obamacare, Laura’s employer was unable to maintain coverage for its employees’ spouses. Lenny had no insurance when he ended up in the hospital with a serious case of pneumonia. He and his wife ended up with a $100,000 hospital bill they will have to pay themselves.


    Neil Jacobson: Jacobson says it is important that his family has health insurance because his wife and son need regular medical treatment. Despite selecting insurance on the Vermont Obamacare exchange on December 16, subsequently paying three premiums, and spending over 15 hours on the phone with Vermont exchange representatives and Blue Cross Blue Shield Vermont, he does not yet officially have insurance. His ten-year-old son, Charles, though, did receive a letter from the exchange saying Charles had requested a change in his insurance.


    Danielle Nelson: Nelson, a California resident, was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. She had to take up a plan on the Covered California exchange with Blue Cross, which assured her that her oncologists were on the plan. But a sign at one of her oncologist’s office states that Covered California plans are not accepted. “I can’t imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen,” Nelson said.


    Ellie Porter: The six-year-old from Utah is undergoing treatment from kidney cancer. Late last year, her parent’s insurance policy was cancelled. Her parents, Paul and Jami, were worried about whether the new policy they were looking for on the federal exchange would cover the physicians who had been treating Ellie. “Not knowing where she’s going to be in treatment, it’s just the uncertainty of it,” her father said. They were also facing the possibility of buying a plan on the exchange that cost double the rate of their current plan.


    Shawna Simpson: Mrs. Simpson’s daughter was injured in a cheerleading accident in January. It was only then that she learned the new ObamaCare exchange policy she was paying $600 per month for didn’t cover any of the physicians she usually takes her family to see. In fact, it doesn’t cover any of the physicians in her county of residence in Tennessee. “We have insurance at this point that is worthless,” she said.


    Gary Smith: Smith signed up and paid for insurance on the Nevada Health Link in December, yet never received an insurance card, a rather common glitch on the Nevada exchange. As a result, he couldn’t pay for his diabetes medication after January 1, even though he had met the deadline for coverage
    Private insurance companies changed their approved providers, and private doctors changed which health insurance they will accept.

    This has never happened before in human history.
    What makes you think that Nick lives in Cook County? What other incorrect assumptions are you making, I wonder. I have a copy of his plan.

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    Originally posted by: forkushV
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    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    He sent me a PDF copy of his plan, which unfortunately isn't legible once I've converted it to Word. Here's exactly what it shows. I noticed that Nicks plan is ACA HSA Compliant, yet you apparently don't concern yourself with such unimportant things. Nick apparently does, however. Blue Cross offers many non-compliant plans for less money, like the one that you posted.

    1/1/2014
    ACA
    HSA Compliant
    Blue PPO
    Bronze 06
    Monthly Premium: $842.44...
    Anyone who says that is the healthcare.gov rate is lying, and anyone with half a brain can prove it in about five minutes. Maybe even jatki too - although I'm sure it would take considerably longer. Here's how:

  • Go to https://www.healthcare.gov/
  • Click See Plans
  • Select Myself and my family
  • Select Health
  • Select Illinois
  • Select Cook County
  • Choose person#1: 54
  • Choose person#2: 53
  • Choose person#3: 19
  • Select No Employer Health Coverage Available
  • Enter $1,000,000 income
  • Click View Marketplace plans

    Voila! Proof that either I or Boilerman is a lying sack. Predictions anyone?


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    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    What makes you think that Nick lives in Cook County? What other incorrect assumptions are you making
    Having people make assumptions about your totally real friend "Nick" is kind of a consequence of you running away for a few weeks from forkushV's challenge of your claim.

    So what county does your not-at-all imaginary friend "Nick" live in?

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    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    What makes you think that Nick lives in Cook County?...
    Wow, what a comeback! Because you said he lives in Bartlet, he is either in Cook or Du Page counties. And the rates in Du Page are $2.00 less per month.

    Boilerman, have you gone to healthcare.gov to confirm my numbers, and then alerted your friend that he could save $280 per month with Obamacare? ($282 in Du Page County.) If you haven't, you're not much of a friend.

    Chilly, some of us work for a living. Over the past two and a half weeks I've been to Ontario, Canada, Rochester, NY, Chicago, Grand Rapids Michigan, Battle Creek Michigan, and Columbus Ohio. On top of that I had to complete my three NCAA Brackets.


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    Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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    Originally posted by: Boilerman
    What makes you think that Nick lives in Cook County? What other incorrect assumptions are you making
    Having people make assumptions about your totally real friend "Nick" is kind of a consequence of you running away for a few weeks from forkushV's challenge of your claim.

    So what county does your not-at-all imaginary friend "Nick" live in?




    Wow, that's a lot of traveling. You made it from Indiana to both Illinois and Ontario, Canada in only a few weeks? After having been all the way to Bartlett, Illinois in late February? You must be exhausted!

    So what county does your completely real, totally not inflatable friend "Nick" live in? We've been trying to find out since you first told of his extremely-verifiable plight back in January.

    The Cook County part of Bartlett, which forkushV reasonably assumed two months ago before you ran away to the far hinterlands of Columbus, Ohio? Or the DuPage County part of Bartlett, which apparently has even lower Obamacare premiums than the Cook County ones forkushV found?

    Boilerman, it's way past time for you to admit the obvious here, that your friend "Nick", for whatever reason, didn't tell you the truth about his Obamacare premiums, that they're far less than what you said he told you in January.
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