I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I've always known that Obamacare was another wealth redistribution program.
Congratulations to Boilerman for having the rare foresight to realize that health insurance distributes wealth to pay for medical care from people who are healthy and don't need a doctor right now to people who are sick and do!

Yes, we have amongst us someone who has figured out how insurance works! I'd give him a pat on the back, if he'd ever take a break from doing it himself!



Do have a safe trip back from Oslo where you're picking up your Nobel Prize for Figuring Out the Obvious!
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Boilerman, if you have even trace amounts of integrity, you'll apologize for spreading lies like the one below.







I think he's ignoring you forky, can't say I blame 'em either. You've pretty much denigrated from being able to talk about things to being incapable of any civil discourse. Your taunting is pretty teenagerish and your screensaves and whatnot are downright childish.
forkushV did us all a great service in exposing yet another Obamacare hater's lie about the program.

If Obamacare sucks so bad, they wouldn't have to lie about it like they do. Over and over.

Anyone ever recall jatki99 enhancing a conversation with a fact?
I certainly hope that you don't actually believe that was my point.

As we were told, no ones premiums would increase. The rich would not subsidize the poor, because Obama and friends were going to save enough money to pay for all of their free medical with this magical savings.

How's it working?




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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
I've always known that Obamacare was another wealth redistribution program.
Congratulations to Boilerman for having the rare foresight to realize that health insurance distributes wealth to pay for medical care from people who are healthy and don't need a doctor right now to people who are sick and do!

Yes, we have amongst us someone who has figured out how insurance works! I'd give him a pat on the back, if he'd ever take a break from doing it himself!



Do have a safe trip back from Oslo where you're picking up your Nobel Prize for Figuring Out the Obvious!



He sent me a PDF copy of his plan, which unfortunately isn't legible once I've converted it to Word. Here's exactly what it shows.

1/1/2014
ACA
HSA Compliant
Blue PPO
Bronze 06
Monthly Premium: $842.44
Yearly Premium: $10,109.28
Max Family Deductible: $12,750
Co-Insurance Amount: 100.00%
Max Family Co-Insurance: $0.00
Insurance Stop Loss: $12,750
Stop Loss Premium and Insurance Stop Loss: $22,859.28

Nick has two kids, but one is on his own and self sufficient. This plan is for one child and two adults. Below was the plan he had before Obamacare.

Before ACA
Insurance at United Security PPO
Family of 3
100% co pay after deductible
$7500 deductible per family
$570 premium per month

So…premium increased 50% per month ($283)
Deductible increased 58% ($5,250)


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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Boilerman, if you have even trace amounts of integrity, you'll apologize for spreading lies like the one below.







I think he's ignoring you forky, can't say I blame 'em either. You've pretty much denigrated from being able to talk about things to being incapable of any civil discourse. Your taunting is pretty teenagerish and your screensaves and whatnot are downright childish.


He sent me a PDF copy of his plan, which unfortunately isn't legible once I've converted it to Word. Here's exactly what it shows. I noticed that Nicks plan is ACA HSA Compliant, yet you apparently don't concern yourself with such unimportant things. Nick apparently does, however. Blue Cross offers many non-compliant plans for less money, like the one that you posted.

1/1/2014
ACA
HSA Compliant
Blue PPO
Bronze 06
Monthly Premium: $842.44
Yearly Premium: $10,109.28
Max Family Deductible: $12,750
Co-Insurance Amount: 100.00%
Max Family Co-Insurance: $0.00
Insurance Stop Loss: $12,750
Stop Loss Premium and Insurance Stop Loss: $22,859.28

Nick has two kids, but one is on his own and self sufficient. This plan is for one child and two adults. Below was the plan he had before Obamacare.

Before ACA
Insurance at United Security PPO
Family of 3
100% co pay after deductible
$7500 deductible per family
$570 premium per month

So…premium increased 50% per month ($283)
Deductible increased 58% ($5,250)


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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Boilerman, if you have even trace amounts of integrity, you'll apologize for spreading lies like the one below.







I think he's ignoring you forky, can't say I blame 'em either. You've pretty much denigrated from being able to talk about things to being incapable of any civil discourse. Your taunting is pretty teenagerish and your screensaves and whatnot are downright childish.


Boiler,

Can you please supply us with a notarized copy of the proposal?
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
As we were told, no ones premiums would increase.
No one said that. Who said "no ones [sic] premiums would increase" following the enactment of Obamacare.

Who said that, Boilerman? Your pretend "friend" who similarly lies about his huge premiums, the one forkushV exposed you for?

You make stuff up because you have to. You got nothing.
obama said health care reform would reduce the premiums by $2,500. Since he made that statement he has never made any retraction or qualification of that statement
More Lies:

Ayala has high blood pressure, high cholesterol and is at high risk for breast cancer. She had to travel three hours to visit a doctor covered under her exchange plan, Nevada Health Co-Op. The only gynecologist she has access to has been fined by three state governments for violating standards of care.


Johanna Benthel: The 17-year-old has had 84 surgeries over her life due to congenital malformations in her brain. Her mother, Eileen, said her family policy was cancelled last year. Last year Johanna was treated in at a clinic at the University of Chicago. Eileen says the new policy they have offers no coverage for going out of New York and they have lost coverage for one of their doctors.


Larry Basich: Basich underwent open-heart surgery in early January. The UnitedHealthCare plan he signed up for on Nevada’s exchange claims they have no record of him and will not cover his surgery. Xerox, a contractor for the Nevada exchange, says Basich signed up with a different insurer. Right now Baisch is liable for $407,000 in costs for his treatment.


Gloria Cantor: Gloria and her husband, Jay, received a letter from their Florida insurance company saying their plan would be cancelled in 2014 because of Obamacare. Gloria is fighting cancer and her physicians could not assure her that they will take her new plan.


Josie Gracchi: Gracchi’s insurance plan rolled over into a new plan that was on the exchange in New York. As a result, the physicians who were treating her for breast cancer were no longer part of her network. A January 3 biopsy and subsequent surgery were delayed as a result.


Lenny Hubbs: Mr. Hubbs had insurance through his wife, Laura. Then, due to the costs of Obamacare, Laura’s employer was unable to maintain coverage for its employees’ spouses. Lenny had no insurance when he ended up in the hospital with a serious case of pneumonia. He and his wife ended up with a $100,000 hospital bill they will have to pay themselves.


Neil Jacobson: Jacobson says it is important that his family has health insurance because his wife and son need regular medical treatment. Despite selecting insurance on the Vermont Obamacare exchange on December 16, subsequently paying three premiums, and spending over 15 hours on the phone with Vermont exchange representatives and Blue Cross Blue Shield Vermont, he does not yet officially have insurance. His ten-year-old son, Charles, though, did receive a letter from the exchange saying Charles had requested a change in his insurance.


Danielle Nelson: Nelson, a California resident, was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. She had to take up a plan on the Covered California exchange with Blue Cross, which assured her that her oncologists were on the plan. But a sign at one of her oncologist’s office states that Covered California plans are not accepted. “I can’t imagine this is how President Obama wanted it to happen,” Nelson said.


Ellie Porter: The six-year-old from Utah is undergoing treatment from kidney cancer. Late last year, her parent’s insurance policy was cancelled. Her parents, Paul and Jami, were worried about whether the new policy they were looking for on the federal exchange would cover the physicians who had been treating Ellie. “Not knowing where she’s going to be in treatment, it’s just the uncertainty of it,” her father said. They were also facing the possibility of buying a plan on the exchange that cost double the rate of their current plan.


Shawna Simpson: Mrs. Simpson’s daughter was injured in a cheerleading accident in January. It was only then that she learned the new ObamaCare exchange policy she was paying $600 per month for didn’t cover any of the physicians she usually takes her family to see. In fact, it doesn’t cover any of the physicians in her county of residence in Tennessee. “We have insurance at this point that is worthless,” she said.


Gary Smith: Smith signed up and paid for insurance on the Nevada Health Link in December, yet never received an insurance card, a rather common glitch on the Nevada exchange. As a result, he couldn’t pay for his diabetes medication after January 1, even though he had met the deadline for coverage
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