I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
$850 is what BM's friend said was the cheapest policy he could find.
Boilerman did NOT say that, that his friend was looking for the cheapest Obamacare policy. He didn't say that at all.

You need to re-read what Boilerman wrote in January, because he didn't write that.
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I actually went to a Halloween party dressed as a lying sack of shit one year.
This sentence I am writing right now proves that I have tremendous self-control.

Speaking of rereading crap from January, where did he write Nick and Vick were 50?

Now, he did say he was looking for something equivalent to his group insurance. The Bronze policy just happens to be the cheapest.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
When I go to the actual Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois web site which (unlike Healthcare.Gov) actually supplies real quotes for smokers and I use Chicago zip-code 60018 and 3 smokers I get a cost of 815.00...
You're wrong there too. At https://www.bcbsil.com/, male 54, female 53, male 25, all smokers in 60018 results in $789.16 for Blue Choice Bronze 006. So to revise, this time with added honesty:

Boilerman's exact description
+ 3 smokers (alanleroy really, really hopes)
+ 20 miles away (for some reason)
+ $768 per year
= THE TRUTH! (for alanleroy)

And exactly when do you have Nick turning 55? That's a magic age you know. It so happens that even if we use these number's they are closer to Boilerman's than yours. Does that make YOU a liar? Does that make you a bag of crap? Or does it just make you wrong? It all depends on whether they smoke, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
When I go to the actual Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois web site which (unlike Healthcare.Gov) actually supplies real quotes for smokers and I use Chicago zip-code 60018 and 3 smokers I get a cost of 815.00...
You're wrong there too. At https://www.bcbsil.com/, male 54, female 53, male 25, all smokers in 60018 results in $789.16 for Blue Choice Bronze 006. So to revise, this time with added honesty:

Boilerman's exact description
+ 3 smokers (alanleroy really, really hopes)
+ 20 miles away (for some reason)
+ $768 per year
= THE TRUTH! (for alanleroy)

And exactly when do you have Nick turning 55? That's a magic age you know...


I input the details as given - and you revise to make them ALL smokers.
I input a Bartlett zip code - and you choose one 20 miles away.
The husband is 54, the wife is 53 in January 2014 - and you make them both 55 (a "magic age").

And you STILL can't make the quoted rates true.
As someone who actually signed up for Obama care Boiler's numbers are right. Your Estimated premium ends up being a few dollars off from your actual premium at the end of the application process. I know mine was off by a few dollars, but that is the whole point those estimators are meant to put you in the ballpark not give you the exact numbers.

I take it I am the only one that finds paying an extra $12,750 in out of pocket costs after you have already paid 10k in premiums ridiculous?

Truthfully Forkie and Chilly Boiler is taking it easy on you so I'll point out to you again that Obama uncapped the stop loss on prescription drugs so a person could find themselves paying more than $12,750 if they take expensive prescription drugs.

I'll tell you another little thing you're not aware of because your not on it yourself. In the past health insurance polices traditionally paid for out of network charges. Yes you would get a higher deductible, stop loss and coinsurance on those charges, but you typically got 60% or more of your charges covered. On my ACA policy if it is out of network it isn't covered at all. If the ambulance takes you to the wrong hospital your screwed and even if your taken to the right hospital a lot of times the specialists that see you in that hospital aren't in Network so your eating 100% of those charges which makes you actual stop loss much higher than $12,750.



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Originally posted by: Boilerman
He sent me a PDF copy of his plan, which unfortunately isn't legible once I've converted it to Word. Here's exactly what it shows.

1/1/2014
ACA
HSA Compliant
Blue PPO
Bronze 06
Monthly Premium: $842.44
Yearly Premium: $10,109.28
Max Family Deductible: $12,750
Co-Insurance Amount: 100.00%
Max Family Co-Insurance: $0.00
Insurance Stop Loss: $12,750
Stop Loss Premium and Insurance Stop Loss: $22,859.28

Nick has two kids, but one is on his own and self sufficient. This plan is for one child and two adults. Below was the plan he had before Obamacare.

Before ACA
Insurance at United Security PPO
Family of 3
100% co pay after deductible
$7500 deductible per family
$570 premium per month

So…premium increased 50% per month ($283)
Deductible increased 58% ($5,250)


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Originally posted by: jatki99
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Originally posted by: forkushV
Boilerman, if you have even trace amounts of integrity, you'll apologize for spreading lies like the one below.







I think he's ignoring you forky, can't say I blame 'em either. You've pretty much denigrated from being able to talk about things to being incapable of any civil discourse. Your taunting is pretty teenagerish and your screensaves and whatnot are downright childish.




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Originally posted by: malibber2
As someone who actually signed up for Obama care Boiler's numbers are right...
Really, you know those rates are accurate. How?

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
As we were told, no ones premiums would increase.
No one said that. Who said "no ones [sic] premiums would increase" following the enactment of Obamacare?

. . .

Who said that, Boilerman?
I think it's fair to say that DonDiego and the alanleroys only bother to challenge statements of fact they doubt when they are made by people they respect. People who, in their view, show a responsibility to what's true.

So sorry hoops2, BobOrme, boilerman, albeadle33, Roulette Man, jphelan, and jatki99. These three don't care enough about your constant bs to bother.
Well I believe I have finally solved this little mystery of why Nick's PPO Bronze 006 Plan from Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois, for zip code 60103 for ages 54, 53 and 19 cost almost $850....and we don't even have to assume the Nick family are smokers who actually live in Chicago.

It turns out there are two Bronze 006 Plans from Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois. One is the 'Choice' plan that Forkush has continually held up as the reason Nick and Boilerman are liars and despicable human beings. It sells for $573 per month. He claims Nick could not possibly have purchased a Bronze 006 PPO plan from Blue Cross for $850.

The second plan is the Blue PPO Bronze 006 plan. No 'Choice' in this plan. And you'll note in Boilerman's original post, nowhere does he specify the 'Choice' plan. Although I'm guessing the real 'choice' in this plan has something to do with the Doctors who actually accept it as payment. I'll bet Nick had to choose this plan because..well he probably wanted to keep his doctor.



Now at 848.33 we still have a $5.00 difference. I'll bet the Kid or one of the adults might be a year older which would account for it. At this point I'm sure we all agree that Nick and Boilerman are owed a big apology by Forkush and Chilcoot. Somehow I don't think that's going to happen. Maybe I should just keep posting the above image every time Forkush claims something good about the ACA. Nah...that would be creepy.

Once we account for the doubled out of pocket for prescription drugs that Malibber2 points out and the increased tax burden because the ACA has forced Husband/Wife businesses out of the Group Insurance Market I'm sure we can also agree that this is no bargain for a lot of people.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
As we were told, no ones premiums would increase.
No one said that. Who said "no ones [sic] premiums would increase" following the enactment of Obamacare?

. . .

Who said that, Boilerman?
I think it's fair to say that DonDiego and the alanleroys only bother to challenge statements of fact they doubt when they are made by people they respect. People who, in their view, show a responsibility to what's true.


It would be more accurate to say that I 'mostly only bother to challenge statements that I don't believe' when they support something I think is wrong. That's kind of human nature. So when boilerman claims racial profiling can be good, I attack that. Now when the racist troll albeadle33 (R.S.) starts spewing his drivel, I ignore it...because he's a troll and attacking a troll is what gives them power. As for the others, I'll leave that up to you and Forkie to be their arbiters of truth. Of course I didn't see you ever question Forkush's claim that Nick was a liar and a sack of crap.

"Wow, alanleroy, you really want this one."

Hilarious! From a guy who's hounded and claimed what a sleazeball BM and his friend were on multiple threads, who kept displaying a screenshot of some posts, this utterly laughable..
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I think it's fair to say that DonDiego and the alanleroys only bother to challenge statements of fact they doubt when they are made by people they respect. People who, in their view, show a responsibility to what's true.
DonDiego will challenge anyone at any time for any reason, . . . to include pure entertainment, sport, vilification, or endearment . . regardless of the content of the post, the respect or lack thereof towards the poster, and the validity or lack thereof of the post.

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