I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

the aca is summarized in a very easy to read document that would take any thoughtful person less than 30 minutes of their time.
Aca summary

Its amusing how the critics constantly say they dont understand what is in the law ....only to turn around and preach about how the law falls short in certain regards. Then their understanding of the law magically reaches an expert level.

What I find amusing is that I like simple, bipartisan laws that focus on a few high priority issues. You seem to like massive, 1900 page, partisan, bureaucratic, special interest tomes.

I point again to our Canadian neighbors who provided their citizens with universal single payer medical coverage in 13 pages of legislation (in two languages) ....Legislation that was passed UNANIMOUSLY by their Parliament and is widely supported by Canadian citizens.

We got a massive 1900 page partisan abomination with a botched rollout and now only 26% support of the American people.

I like the practical Canadian approach of identifying the major problem, fix it with a simple powerful law and pass it with broad political support. Chicoot thinks that's stupid. I think it's smart. What do you think?

I'm guessing the alanleroys also like magic unicorns and fairy dust.



There was no plan that could achieve bipartisan support in the Congress that existed in March 2010. The Affordable Care Act was the best plan that could pass, and represents a huge improvement over the system that we used to have.

Is it perfect? Hardly. We'd be far better off with the single-payer system the rest of the civilized world, Canada included, has adopted.

That simply was not possible in 2010. We'll get there, but this is the best that could be done in 2010.

FIXED.

Its not easy to address a problem when half the people in government refuse to admit the problem exists. The leadership on the ACA was more successful than any administration in over 3 decades...the last time significant reforms were made to healthcare. In each case imperfections remained. But in neither case does the majority of the population believe the preceding system was better. There is a word for that in the English language. Its called PROGRESS. Some people pursue it. Some people obstruct it. And other people just complain.

I agree with this. I think our leaders could have done a better job.

However, the job that was done made tremendous improvements over the system that existed pre-Obamacare.

Even if it consumed 1,900 pages of paper.

Poor, poor paper!

Utter bullshit. Remember when Mitch McConnell said that making Obama a one term president was his single most important goal. And...

Obama supported the health care of the Bob Dole and Mitt Romney - and Republicans opposed it.

Obama supported the Cap and Trade of John McCain - and Republicans opposed it.

Obama supported the immigration reform of President George W. Bush - and Republicans opposed it.

Obama support the assault rifle legislation of President Ronald Reagan - and Republicans opposed it.

Bipartisan enough for you?

Meanwhile, Republicans thought that Chuck Hagel was too liberal to be the Secretary of Defense, and most Virginia Republicans just voted for a guy for governor who wanted oral sex to be illegal. Oh, and a lot of them are still cool with shutting down the US government at a cost of $24 billion, because they don't have the votes to change the law.

One party is centrist, the other resembles an anger management therapy group. And even you, alanleroy, can't be confused about that.

Unbelievable and completely idiotic anyone would criticize alanleroys argument that the ACA is far too complex and could've been written in a far simpler manner rather than what it came to be in the end. An abomination that was written with a a whole lot of of help from "bureaucrat lawyers, big pharma, the Doctor's lobby and the Insurance industry.". That crirticizem is spot on and and could be said for most laws that are written today. Take a look at our current tax code, the EXACT SAME THING COULD BE SAID FOR OUR EVR EXPANDING TAX CODE



I dare anyone to argue against that it is way way too wordy and far too complex than what it should be. I believe almost everyone, politicians included, that it should be simplified.It's the exact same problem here and to say any different would be baseless.I deal with the healthcare system quite often being on dialysis and having other care as well.The most recent was surgery on my hand(finally!) to get it released so I can grip again(hopefully), at the beginning of Feb. I've had four re-castings and got a splint a week and half ago.

Anyway I'm digressing somewhat. The point being, I ask many people along my most recent journey how things are going since the inception of ACA(on caregiver sides, not many patient sides), and I've found it's gone from complete and total confusion to an attitude of ''oh wth, I'll check this box and do what I do, see what happens later". I find it completely hilarious that a coupla keyboard cowboys keep arguing a point and THEY AREN'T EVEN DEALING WITH ANYTHING FIRSTHAND AND OTHERS ARE .Completely unbelievable.

In the end I believe alanL is spot on when he mentions how simple the Canadien healthcare system is written and how successful it is( I'm making a half assed semi educated assumption on this). I've mentioned the Canadian system myself and I think it's what the US should use as a model for our healthcare. Since we've done thrown this canoe into a class IV w/o any paddles, may as well throw 'em a few paddles and try and get the boat righted. I think a single payer system such as our northern friends have, would be a tremendous improvement to the train wreck that's currently being implemented.Come this far may as wel go all the way.

Obamacare is providing lots of real benefits to most Americans and saving the federal government money.

But jatki99 is right, we'd be much better off with a single-payer system like Canada has.

We couldn't get that in 2010. We will, eventually, but not yet.

Neither party is 'centrist'. Both are owned by their special interest masters over on K street. Even you can't be confused about that. 57,000 lobbyists and 535 legislators. What the hell do you think is going on? That's how Obamacare got to be 1900 pages....and still didn't address some of the most important cost savers....like end of life costs and real competition.

The people weren't confused when they threw the Democrats out of the House because of the way Obamacare was rammed through congress with no Republican support. "If you want to know what's in the bill you have to pass the bill". The people want the politicians to work together for the good of the country. The political hacks from both parties claim their side is 'centrist' and the other side is evil wingers....Sound familiar everybody?

Hell if you really listen to Forky it sounds like we should have just elected McCain or Romney since Democrats only support Republican ideas anymore. Him speak with Forkushed tongue.

The people aren't confused as only 26% still support Obamacare after the botched rollout. AlanLeroy isn't confused...he stands with 'The People'. It's the Forkush's & Chilcoots of the world who are confused. That is likely to bode ill for them in the next election cycle. I just hope that if the Republicans gain control of Congress they will be smart enough to work together with Democrats in a bipartisan fashion for the good of the country. Unfortunately, I don't think that would happen....the working together part. Throw them all out. We need a new set of bums.