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I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

alanleroyII

Mar 30, 2014
6:31pm

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Originally posted by: jatki99
In the end I believe alanL is spot on when he mentions how simple the Canadien healthcare system is written and how successful it is ( I'm making a half assed semi educated assumption on this). I've mentioned the Canadian system myself and I think it's what the US should use as a model for our healthcare.

I wasn't necessarily holding up the Canadian Health Insurance system as a model for us. I was merely pointing out how they used a simple 13 page bipartisan law to completely reform their healthcare model. That's the approach Chilcoot calls 'Stupid'. He prefers 1900 page boondoggles.

alanleroyII

Mar 30, 2014
6:32pm

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hoops2

Mar 30, 2014
11:19pm

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Let's recap after 4+ years

The law that couldn't be changed has been changed 37 times

Read it to know whats in it etc. - to date about 40% support the law

4m new jobs as a result of the law - didn't happen

Was supposed to save families $2,500 annually - not happening

Needed 7m signups - maybe 5m have signed up and paid

Law was designed to help the unisured - barely 1m have signed up and paid

Needed 30 - 40% young people to sign up and pay - currently in the mid 20s

If you like your doctor etc. - didn't happen

Don

Mar 31, 2014
12:32am

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
Neither party is 'centrist'. Both are owned by their special interest masters over on K street. Even you can't be confused about that.

alanleroyII underestimates the power of "willful confusion". Anyone can be willfully confused, . . . if he tries hard enough.

forkushV

Mar 31, 2014
12:41am

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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We could have fixed the most critical healthcare problems facing our society with a few pages. That could have had broad bipartisan support...
Utter bullshit. Remember when Mitch McConnell said that making Obama a one term president was his single most important goal. And...

Obama supported the health care of the Bob Dole and Mitt Romney - and Republicans opposed it.
Obama supported the Cap and Trade of John McCain - and Republicans opposed it.
Obama supported the immigration reform of President George W. Bush - and Republicans opposed it.
Obama support the assault rifle legislation of President Ronald Reagan - and Republicans opposed it.

Bipartisan enough for you?

Meanwhile, Republicans thought that Chuck Hagel was too liberal to be the Secretary of Defense, and most Virginia Republicans just voted for a guy for governor who wanted oral sex to be illegal. Oh, and a lot of them are still cool with shutting down the US government at a cost of $24 billion, because they don't have the votes to change the law.

One party is centrist, the other resembles an anger management therapy group. And even you, alanleroy, can't be confused about that.

Neither party is 'centrist'. Both are owned by their special interest masters over on K street. Even you can't be confused about that. 57,000 lobbyists and 535 legislators...

Lobbying is bipartisan! You should love it, alanleroy. Just like repealing Glass Steagall and invading Iran was bipartisan. Ain't bipartisanship wonderful? But by centrist, I was referring to the fact that it is Democratic policies that a majority of Americans support.

For example, most Americans support:

immigration reform

raising the minimum wage

gun safety laws

environmental regulation

closing corporate tax loopholes

marriage equality

and....Obamacare! According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 59% of Americans want to keep it as is, or keep it and improve it.

Most Americans also oppose idiot military posturing in places like Iran, and oppose closing down the government or defaulting on our debts when one party doesn't get its way.

One party largely matches public opinion, the other ignores it. And claiming that both parties are equally culpable is just the laziest possible way of trying to feel superior.

forkushV

Mar 31, 2014
12:43am

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Originally posted by: hoops2
Let's recap after 4+ years

The law that couldn't be changed...

Wouldn't.

Not without the votes in Congress, and either the President's signature, or a veto-proof majority.

Welcome to America!

hoops2

Mar 31, 2014
1:11am

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"Obamacare! According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 59% of Americans want to keep it as is, or keep it and improve it."

The kaiser foundation has been a consistent cheerleader for obamacare, so their poll is likely flawed. The Real Clear Politcs average has conistently been in the high 30s to low 40s with a recent AP poll showing 26% approval

Dan Svatass

Mar 31, 2014
3:38am

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
I was merely pointing out how they used a simple 13 page bipartisan law to completely reform their healthcare model. That's the approach Chilcoot calls 'Stupid'. He prefers 1900 page boondoggles.

You two really suck at reading. I neither said nor suggested any such thing.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
So, by the time the special interests and an army of lawyers got through with the ACA it was 1900 pages and has spawned another 20,000 pages of regulations
I doubt the alanleroys know how many pages of laws and regulations were repealed as a result of the passage of the Affordable Care Act. You can bet it was a lot.

I'm guessing it took more than 1,900 pages of paper to write letters to the families of the 4,500 American soldiers killed and 32,000 American soldiers wounded in a government program a prior Administration established in Iraq. Somehow, I doubt the number of pages of paper for that project matter as much to the alanleroys.

More to the point: Is there some number of pages that is acceptable for our laws, above which the laws become unacceptable? Double or single space? Font size?

Such a stupid criticism.

See how I didn't say what you claimed I said? At all?

What I said is that criticising Obamacare because it (supposedly) required 1,900 pages of paper to be printed is a stupid criticism. Which it is.

That being said, I can understand why you would prefer to challenge things I haven't said here to things I have.

jatki

Mar 31, 2014
4:01am

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Originally posted by: alanleroyII

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Originally posted by: jatki99
In the end I believe alanL is spot on when he mentions how simple the Canadien healthcare system is written and how successful it is ( I'm making a half assed semi educated assumption on this). I've mentioned the Canadian system myself and I think it's what the US should use as a model for our healthcare.

My apologies, I known you weren't, I merely lost it i the translation, it was late and I was trying to speed type my thoughts down cause I wanted to get back to bed.

To all, it is I who am saying that the Canadian system lloks appealing to me now, not Alan L's, sorry for the confusion folks.

jatki

Mar 31, 2014
4:10am

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59% want to keep it!? BWAHAHAHA, just goes to show, forky wants to believe, strives to believe, yearns to beleive , just exactly what he wishes to believe. Nothing more, nothing less(well actually I think he would wish for the nothing more part to be wrong, but oh well, meh)

Last poll I heard was around 30% want to keep it and that was with changes.

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