No more craps etiquette at Caesars Palace

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Originally posted by: MoneyLA
The dealers have new instructions in the craps pit: do not delay new players buying into the game, do not delay the shooter throwing the dice. And on Wednesday when a new player bought in during a hand, and the dice hit his hand as he was picking up chips, the table went ballistic.

I wrote about it on my website here: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

the bottom line is that the dealers won't look out for you. You have to wait and watch for money and chips being placed on the table -- as well as hands.


Several things, including your etiquette.

1: The topic itself is relevant, but the information should have been made available in the original message. Instead, you post a link to your own forum to drive traffic to your site, and away from this one. IMHO, your original message is "SPAM", and definitely low class, or no class, "etiquette".

2: As the shooter, you failed to be aware of your surroundings and what was happening at the game. Trying to cast blame on the dealers, new policy, newbie, anyone or anything else except yourself is delusional. This would have been avoided if you were aware.

3: What were you doing at Caesar's? I seem to recall that several years ago you mentioned, in a thread, that your were barred from dice do to your dice control skills.

Some craps superstitions:

Male virgins are bad luck. First time players who are male are thought to be unlucky when they are shooting the dice and other players may hold back from betting.

Female virgins are hot. First time players who are female are thought to be lucky and players may lay an additional bet for the lady, when she's shooting the dice, in the hope that the luck will rub off.

If the dice leave the table it is thought that the next roll will be unlucky. The thinking is the shooters 'rhythm' will have been broken. Players often shout "same dice" thinking that the bad luck may be avoided if the dice are not changed.

Never be the first at a table or be the only player. The thinking is the dice are 'cold' and need to be played first to 'warm' them up.

The dice should not hit any ones hand when thrown. Players and crew often shout "watch your hands" when the shooter is about to shoot. The thinking is the roll will be jinxed if it comes into contact with anything and Craps table crew have been accused of this by irate players.

Don't talk to or touch the shooter when they're having a good roll.

Never mention the number 7. Refer to the number 7 as 'it' - "I hope it doesn't show". Some players call it the devil - "Don't let the devil show".

It is bad luck if the stickman pushes the dice to you with a 7 face up. The crew know this superstition and you should never be given the dice with a total of 7 face up.

Wrong bettors increase the chances of a 7 out. And the more wrong bettors there are the more likely the dice will lose.

If this man is standing next to you, you may want to pull down any bets that you are allowed to take off the table.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Yes! Absolutely!

The uncertainty principle as applied by Heisenberg. The mere observance of the event effects the outcome.

If you think the rhythm of the throw has no effect on the outcome you do not understand physics.

Now, if that outcome is predictable or repeatable do to that rhythm, that's another matter. (pun intended)
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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: snidely333
The deflection of the dice didn't cause the 7-out.

This is an unwarranted assumption.


Warrant my ass.
DonDiego has not heard the phrase "Warrant my ass" employed as a term of endearment before. Nonetheless, he thanks snidely333 for the recognition.


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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Yes! Absolutely!

The uncertainty principle as applied by Heisenberg. The mere observance of the event effects the outcome...
Ah, so the new player effects the outcome by merely observing the roll. This calls for a whole new level of etiquette!
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Logically speaking I'd say no, affecting my "rhythm" has no affect on the laws of physics. The fun, illogical side of me says otherwise. When I'm in Vegas, I'm often illogical and it's all out of fun. However, it is interesting the guys working the table were deliberate in their slowing down the table. The number of other players hadn't changed, neither had any of the dealers....maybe, just maybe they were doing so to try to disrupt my turn with the dice by affecting my---you guessed it, RHYTHM. Hmmm...why would they do such a thing?

By the way, I couldn't spin around three times between throws because you're not allowed to pull the dice back of the table....if I did it without the dice in hand, that would just be silly.

Thanks for your sarcastic consideration though....truly much appreciated.

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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Yes! Absolutely!

The uncertainty principle as applied by Heisenberg. The mere observance of the event effects the outcome...
Ah, so the new player effects the outcome by merely observing the roll. This calls for a whole new level of etiquette!


Danm. I hadn't thought about that. Allright, no new players allowed at the table with their eyes open.
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: CowboyKell
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Yes! Absolutely!

The uncertainty principle as applied by Heisenberg. The mere observance of the event effects the outcome...
Ah, so the new player effects the outcome by merely observing the roll. This calls for a whole new level of etiquette!


Danm. I hadn't thought about that. Allright, no new players allowed at the table with their eyes open.


C'mon man, Think about this from a scientific point. It's not the act of observation that affects the outcome. It's the photons, man. You need to light the object up in order to see it. There's photons in the light. The photons hitting the object moves the object. Them cheating casinos have intense lights built into the environment at a wavelength mammals like us can't see. You get hot with them dice, they turn the lights on. They don't slow down the pace of play to throw off your rhythm. They slow it down to get the lights turned on and get them warmed up.
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: BillyBuckeye
...I actually has a situation at the Tropicana where I was doing quite well with the dice in hand and of course was taking care of The Boys on occasion. After making a couple points in addition to a few come bets, the dealers deliberately slowed the game down. I turn to my wife who was behind me watching and said, "Rhythm. Rhythm." She very clearly and load enough to be noticed says "What? Oh...they're trying to mess up your rhythm."...
And you actually think "rhythm" effects the laws of physics when it comes to dice? Have you tried spinning around three times between throws?


Logically speaking I'd say no, affecting my "rhythm" has no affect on the laws of physics. The fun, illogical side of me says otherwise. When I'm in Vegas, I'm often illogical and it's all out of fun. However, it is interesting the guys working the table were deliberate in their slowing down the table...
I've got some alternative theories about why they slowed down the table:

1. They actually want to get fewer tips by pissing off customers.
2. You have an over-active imagination.
3. They aren't permitted to spin around three times either.
4. Like you, they are indulging their "fun, illogical side" while in Vegas.
Too bad that happened. One reason I stick to video poker is that I don't have to worry about others. I find video poker to be a better game, especially away from CET properties.
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