Street "Performers" and Water "Sellers"

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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here we go again. Expression is considered "speech", as I assumed until now that your know.

Let's say that I want to protest your moving into my neighborhood. Would you ask for police help to remove me after I spent 60 days on your sidewalk in protest.........expressing myself? Day after day, as your children would come and go, as your wife would comes and go, as you would come and go.

Yep, you would complain. The problem is you would argue for the rights of the squatter if this was happening to someones else in a different town (I know your type). Hanging out on your doorstep is considered "expression", which is considered equal to speech.

I should not be allowed to harass your family day after day after day. Creepy people should not be able to harass The Golden Nuggets customers day after day after day.



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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Oh my.

1. Boiler believes that business people should not bother citizens.

2. Boiler believes that citizens should not bother business.

I won't set up a tent city 1 foot from your mailbox, and you don't hang out in front of my business and bother my customers.

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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The success of an establishment has no relevance on the correctness of the government's trampling on the business owners rights.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. - T. Jefferson

Despite the prognostications that restaurants and bars in NJ would go out of business and suffer great declines in revenue due to the no smoking laws, they seem to be doing just as well as when smoking was allowed.



The rights of consumers often butt heads with the rights of business owners. Sometimes laws are needed to combat unethical and dangerous business practices. Do you oppose health inspections of restaurants?

You know, it just occurred to me that you've talked yourself in a circle. You want the government to impose restrictions on these water bottle selling business people. Guess you only support certain businesses. You'll be the judge to what businesses are proper and which ones are not. Just like you can judge who can express their freedom of speech and who cannot.



It's hopeless to have a discussion with you if yo don't know the difference between speech and a domicile.



My rights end where your rights begin. And vice versa. Harassment is not free speech. That line can get fuzzy but the courts have worked it out. It's defined where people can exercise free speech and when it turns to harassment.
What about the rights Fremont Street businesses? Their rights should be considered far more than mine as an occasional visitor. The creepy people are causing a decrease in business in Fremont, I'm certain.

Everything needs to be in balance as best as possible, but the pendulum has swung too far to the left.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Here we go again. Expression is considered "speech", as I assumed until now that your know.

Let's say that I want to protest your moving into my neighborhood. Would you ask for police help to remove me after I spent 60 days on your sidewalk in protest.........expressing myself? Day after day, as your children would come and go, as your wife would comes and go, as you would come and go.

Yep, you would complain. The problem is you would argue for the rights of the squatter if this was happening to someones else in a different town (I know your type). Hanging out on your doorstep is considered "expression", which is considered equal to speech.

I should not be allowed to harass your family day after day after day. Creepy people should not be able to harass The Golden Nuggets customers day after day after day.



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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
Oh my.

1. Boiler believes that business people should not bother citizens.

2. Boiler believes that citizens should not bother business.

I won't set up a tent city 1 foot from your mailbox, and you don't hang out in front of my business and bother my customers.

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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
The success of an establishment has no relevance on the correctness of the government's trampling on the business owners rights.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression. - T. Jefferson

Despite the prognostications that restaurants and bars in NJ would go out of business and suffer great declines in revenue due to the no smoking laws, they seem to be doing just as well as when smoking was allowed.



The rights of consumers often butt heads with the rights of business owners. Sometimes laws are needed to combat unethical and dangerous business practices. Do you oppose health inspections of restaurants?

You know, it just occurred to me that you've talked yourself in a circle. You want the government to impose restrictions on these water bottle selling business people. Guess you only support certain businesses. You'll be the judge to what businesses are proper and which ones are not. Just like you can judge who can express their freedom of speech and who cannot.



It's hopeless to have a discussion with you if yo don't know the difference between speech and a domicile.



My rights end where your rights begin. And vice versa. Harassment is not free speech. That line can get fuzzy but the courts have worked it out. It's defined where people can exercise free speech and when it turns to harassment.


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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What about the rights Fremont Street businesses? Their rights should be considered far more than mine as an occasional visitor. The creepy people are causing a decrease in business in Fremont, I'm certain.



Please define creepy people. Does it include:

1. All Fremont Street Performers who work for tips?
2. All Bums, Beggars, Panhandlers?
3. All Street Preachers?
4. Union Pickets?
5. All charitable organizations seeking donations?
6. Any homeless person?
7. Tattooed Gang Bangers?
8. Anyone with too many Tattoos?
9. Don Diego?
10. Others?



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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What about the rights Fremont Street businesses? Their rights should be considered far more than mine as an occasional visitor. The creepy people are causing a decrease in business in Fremont, I'm certain.



Please define creepy people. Does it include:

1. All Fremont Street Performers who work for tips?
2. All Bums, Beggars, Panhandlers?
3. All Street Preachers?
4. Union Pickets?
5. All charitable organizations seeking donations?
6. Any homeless person?
7. Tattooed Gang Bangers?
8. Anyone with too many Tattoos?
9. Don Diego?
10. Others?


For me it is DonDiego, I once saw him on all fours in a room at the Plaza....very creepy.


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Originally posted by: Liondownnow
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: Boilerman
What about the rights Fremont Street businesses? Their rights should be considered far more than mine as an occasional visitor. The creepy people are causing a decrease in business in Fremont, I'm certain.



Please define creepy people. Does it include:

1. All Fremont Street Performers who work for tips?
2. All Bums, Beggars, Panhandlers?
3. All Street Preachers?
4. Union Pickets?
5. All charitable organizations seeking donations?
6. Any homeless person?
7. Tattooed Gang Bangers?
8. Anyone with too many Tattoos?
9. Don Diego?
10. Others?


For me it is DonDiego, I once saw him on all fours in a room at the Plaza....very creepy.

Stone DonDiego!

“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”

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Originally posted by: snidely333
“Taking personal offense is not an injury that warrants invoking the power of the courts to shut down everything you disagree with,” Baxter also said. “The Constitution is not a personal tool for censoring everyone’s beliefs but your own.”

That Baxter dude probably never had 50 homeless people camped in his mailbox.

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Originally posted by: Rock'n Rick
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Originally posted by: forkushV


But there's a solution for people like me in just four letters: LINQ.

We have a choice! Ain't America great?



But just how do you get to LINQ without passing Batman, Chuckie, Creepy Cupid or Monopoly Man ???...
Easy. Park at Harrah's, which connects with the Quad, which connects with the LINQ. Or park at the Quad. Or take a cab to either location. Or valet park.

You will not have to deal with Batman, Chuckie, Creepy Cupid or Monopoly Man. I guarantee it.
Question: Do the salvation army people need any kind of permit/permission to hang outside Macy's or wherever?
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Originally posted by: alanleroyII
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Originally posted by: drmilled
alanleroyII- What is or isn't "my business" is none of your business. Most of the "street performers" are freeloaders who gravitate to any place where they know people will give them money - what they are doing is not an example of "working".

Why do people give them money? It's not because they are shaming them into sympathy or badgering them like a panhandler. People give them money because they perceive a value in the service a busker provides....entertainment. Like I said, what others enjoy and are freely willing to pay for is just none of your business.

Let's see. They buy a costume. They put themselves into character. They manage to show up every day. They pose with your snot nosed bratty children and drunken smelly downtown partiers and all they ask is a small voluntary donation. Hell yes they're working. And it's harder work than a lot of them gobernment jobs.
YES! if they have talent and they entertain me,I'll give 'em a buck.
If they make me smile or giggle,I'll give 'em 2.
What's wrong with that?
Pan handlers-Hardy ever.

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