There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
Lol.



I was REALLY pissed that Bush caved in to Democrats on tax increases.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot



I voted for Jimmy Carter. Twice.

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Originally posted by: Chilcoot



Nixon resigned.

Obama doesn't have enough humility to even admit he lied repeatedly. He thinks the cure for repeated lies is more lies. By deflecting to lies told by other Presidents, you think Obama's lies are okay. The ends justify the means, right?

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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
No apologies should be made for making it illegal for con artists to sell people shares of the Brooklyn Bridge.
If people want to pretend to be upset about that "destruction of their freedom" then so be it....it makes for good comedy.

There are some people (a tiny amount) who had legitimate insurance whose rates will rise under the new law. If something can be legitimately done to alleviate their situation then I'd be open to having the government look into it...keeping in mind that no system is perfect for every person.

The goal of any government policy is to benefit the most people possible while letting as few as possible fall through the cracks. And I'd be happy to have that pissing contest with anyone who might argue the previous train-wreck system we had was better.


The goal of this government policy is not health care or benefiting "the most people". It is about control and money. If it were about health care, there wouldn't have been 16,000 additional IRS agents hired to police compliance.


So you call the president a pathological liar and then spew out that whopper?

Politifact's figurecame to 1/20th of yours.

Yeah/ Obama is the pathological liar.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
No apologies should be made for making it illegal for con artists to sell people shares of the Brooklyn Bridge.
If people want to pretend to be upset about that "destruction of their freedom" then so be it....it makes for good comedy.

There are some people (a tiny amount) who had legitimate insurance whose rates will rise under the new law. If something can be legitimately done to alleviate their situation then I'd be open to having the government look into it...keeping in mind that no system is perfect for every person.

The goal of any government policy is to benefit the most people possible while letting as few as possible fall through the cracks. And I'd be happy to have that pissing contest with anyone who might argue the previous train-wreck system we had was better.


The goal of this government policy is not health care or benefiting "the most people". It is about control and money. If it were about health care, there wouldn't have been 16,000 additional IRS agents hired to police compliance.


So you call the president a pathological liar and then spew out that whopper?

Politifact's figurecame to 1/20th of yours.

Yeah/ Obama is the pathological liar.

I'm glad you agree he is a pathological liar.

Washington DC Insurance Commissioner fired one day after criticizing Obama

UnitedHealth drops thousands of doctors due to Obamacare

Black college drops student heath insurance due to Obamacare

NY Senator admits "We all knew" plans would be dropped
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Originally posted by: BobOrme
It is about control and money. If it were about health care, there wouldn't have been 16,000 additional IRS agents hired to police compliance.
If the looney right had legitimate criticisms to make about this President, they'd make them.

They don't, so like BobOrme, they have to lie.






Might be more accurate, not to mention more secure? Just sayin'








And now, . . . for something completely different, . . .
This lady's feet don't look right to poor old DonDiego.


Didn't the cbo say there were would be 500,000 signups in October?

The facts remain

- people are not signing up
- millions have lost their insurance
- doctors & hospitals are being dropped
Seems that my home state is still stuck at ZERO sign-ups.

Oregon
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Originally posted by: Campion
Seems that my home state is still stuck at ZERO sign-ups.

Oregon
You would benefit from reading the article you posted.

It says that Obamacare has already reduced Oregon's uninsured population by 10 percent, thanks mostly to the expansion of Medicaid:

Oregon does have one big success to brag about. The state has enrolled 70,000 people in Medicaid, reducing the ranks of the uninsured by more than 10 percent.

And another 18,000 have submitted paper applications for private insurance:

The state has received about 18,000 paper applications, at 19 pages each, and is scrambling to manually file and clear them.

Yes, Oregon's website is a humiliating disaster. But it's only part of the story. But hey, why present an accurate picture?
Good News on Obamacare

Now that it's being implemented, even if ever-so incompetently, . . . people are reading the Affordable Care Act.

In the ever-increasing likelihood that problems continue with Obamacare enrollment, . . . and even if the continuing problems raise costs, . . .say, because healthy young folks "pay" the nearly-unenforceable tax-penalty instead of taking the trouble to sign up, and the insured population comprises older and sicker individuals, . . . the Insurance Companies are protected ! ! ! The taxpayers will take up the slack.

Obamacare "Risk Corridors"
Each year the exchange plan's Insurers project how much their risk pool would cost overall, . . . their “target” cost. Section 1342 of the ACA states that the “target” amount is the total of all premiums paid minus administrative costs — that is, it’s the break-even point for the plan.
If they’ve significantly miscalculated—or, say, if a mandate delay causes adverse selection [less-than-predicted healthy young persons] that they couldn’t have predicted—Health and Human Services will take action.

The “action” involves a 50 percent bailout for costs that exceed 103% of the insurers’ cost target, and an 80% bailout for costs that exceed 108% of target.
If a plan undershoots its cost target, the Insurer has to pay HHS according to a similar formula for costs below 97 percent and 92 percent. [DonDiego opines this is unlikely given the current state of Obamacare.]
The hope was the plans that undershoot costs are supposed to pay for the ones that overshoot. But there is no such limit contained within the law, so if an industry-wide problem develops the government will pay out more than it collects through the program. This could be expensive—the CBO scored the health law as though risk corridors were budget neutral. [And that dear children is why the CBO estimate cannot be assumed accurate; the CBO must "score" using whatever method and parameters the Congress tells it to use, . . . and these may turn out to be wrong.-DD]
Ref: Now We Find Out What's In It

Uh-oh.

Well, if anyone was worried about the Insurance Companies suffering, he may rest assured, . . . the taxpayer will cover most of any possibly extensive losses.
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