There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

It looks like pelosi had another of her senior moments as at the end of the video says she has always called it ACA, while earlier in the video she says obamacare
That is such a detached-from-reality, pathetic excuse for a public figure. She and that half-dead/half-unaware Harry Reid should get married, live underground where they can't disturb anybody with their rambling babble, and bring in Obama once a day so he can tell them what's going on in the country scandal-wise after he sees it on the tube.
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Originally posted by: albeadle33
. . . She [Ms. Pelosi] and that half-dead/half-unaware Harry Reid should get married, live underground where they can't disturb anybody . . .

Ahh, . . . indeed a Match-Made-In-Heaven: Nancy "We have to pass the Bill to see what's in it" Pelosi and Harry "Why would I want to help a child with cancer" Reid.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: albeadle33
. . . She [Ms. Pelosi] and that half-dead/half-unaware Harry Reid should get married, live underground where they can't disturb anybody . . .

Ahh, . . . indeed a Match-Made-In-Heaven: Nancy "We have to pass the Bill to see what's in it" Pelosi and Harry "Why would I want to help a child with cancer" Reid.
And Don-"Look at the naked crucifixions in front of the Egyptian Presidential Palace"-Diego can preside. Although they probably wouldn't want something that kinky.


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Originally posted by: BobOrme
I'm an old man Coot. I don't want or need you or Obama or anyone else forcing me to pay any more of my continuously shrinking income to support more people on the public dole. I'm neither cheap nor dumb (words you are fond of tossing around).
I'm glad you've been able to negotiate, schedule, and pay for your health procedures.

My issue, however, is how you'll do when you can't do that? Are you really so wealthy that no procedure could cause you to go bankrupt? jatki99 lost the health lottery and has had $16 million in health bills. Can you afford that? Or are you just so lucky that it literally cannot happen to you?

If you're hit by a cement truck tomorrow, get a brain injury, and after a month in ICU, comatose and on a ventilator, you wind up with an unexpected half million in bills, how will that be paid without insurance? Are you truly so wealthy that you cannot be put in that position?

Millions of Americans who, like you, don't have insurance, would be forced to liquidate their assets, declare bankruptcy for the rest, and leave the rest of us holding the bag. You presumably could afford insurance but won't. And I'm guessing you consider yourself conservative lol.

Relying on bankruptcy as I suspect you do is about the least conservative, self-reliant thing a person could do.
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Originally posted by: forkushV
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: albeadle33
. . . She [Ms. Pelosi] and that half-dead/half-unaware Harry Reid should get married, live underground where they can't disturb anybody . . .

Ahh, . . . indeed a Match-Made-In-Heaven: Nancy "We have to pass the Bill to see what's in it" Pelosi and Harry "Why would I want to help a child with cancer" Reid.
And Don-"Look at the naked crucifixions in front of the Egyptian Presidential Palace"-Diego can preside. Although they probably wouldn't want something that kinky.

DonDiego is honored that forkushV would place him among Representative Pelosi and Senator Reid.

Apparently the Washington Times and other news agencies and DonDiego were mislead by the article alleging crucifixions in Egypt. Ref: National Post of Toronto [DonDiego hopes forkushV will trust a Canadian newspaper.]
DonDiego hopes he's learned his lesson.

Nonetheless, al-Qaeda organizations around the Middle East and elsewhere have been plenty unkind, . . . what with stoning girls to death, cutting journalists' heads off, cutting thieves' hands off and, in fact, one crucifixion in Yemen. Ref: Washington Post
[One can view the *DO NOT CLICK*Crucifixion in Yemen*DO NOT CLICK* online; DonDiego recommends against it. Perhaps DonDiego is just too sensitive a soul, but it turned his stomach.]
[DonDiego also recommends the USA not support al-Qaeda rebels in Syria or elsewhere; whatever did happen to that Obama proposal, . . . or maybe it was just a suggestion-of-the-day?]

Anyway, . . . DonDiego supposes even al-Qaeda would not pass a Bill just to see what's in it or ask why al-Qaeda should care about a child with cancer.

Oh, . . . and DonDiego is not licensed to perform wedding ceremonies. And besides, Representative Pelosi and Reid are married persons. Although it would be big 'o me.

PJ
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You make excellent points. But here is the problem...you are comparing Obamacare to something that might be better than Obamacare. That is a debate worth having. That is a conversation that an intelligent government would have. But thats not the debate in Washington...and not the debate you really find on this board. We're stuck with thew debate between Obamacare and the train wreck system that preceded it. Does Obamacare solve all problems? No. It needs to be improved...dramatically. If Republicans had two functioning brain cells among them they would attack Obamacare where it falls short instead of trying to convince the public the system we had before was better. ..

Well at this point the old system is gone. By the time 2016 and the next presidential election hits there will simply be no going back to the old system because all the remains of the old system will be long gone. As much as conservatives like the simplicity of the "repeal" argument if they win in 2016 and succeed in repealing Obamacare the cancelation notices and the problems we are hearing about with Obamacare will 100 times worse as many as 20 million would be immediately be canceled simply because of the Medicaid expansion being repealed. Then all those folks in the individual market that conservatives seem so concerned about now would be canceled and millions of them would be unable to obtain replacement coverage because of preexisting conditions. Not to mention that hospitals all over the country would go bankrupt because they would no longer get paid for care of the uninsured that seek treatment at the emergency room.

Simply put Obamacare can't be repealed without being replaced because it is so interwoven throughout the healthcare system. The choice going forward so it isn't' a debate between Obamare and the old system it is a debate between Obamacare and what would replace it.
The admin announced today that next year they are pushing back the start of the enrollment period until November 14, which coincidently is after the midterm elections.
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Originally posted by: malibber2
PJ
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You make excellent points. But here is the problem...you are comparing Obamacare to something that might be better than Obamacare. That is a debate worth having. That is a conversation that an intelligent government would have. But thats not the debate in Washington...and not the debate you really find on this board. We're stuck with thew debate between Obamacare and the train wreck system that preceded it. Does Obamacare solve all problems? No. It needs to be improved...dramatically. If Republicans had two functioning brain cells among them they would attack Obamacare where it falls short instead of trying to convince the public the system we had before was better. ..

Well at this point the old system is gone. By the time 2016 and the next presidential election hits there will simply be no going back to the old system because all the remains of the old system will be long gone. As much as conservatives like the simplicity of the "repeal" argument if they win in 2016 and succeed in repealing Obamacare the cancelation notices and the problems we are hearing about with Obamacare will 100 times worse as many as 20 million would be immediately be canceled simply because of the Medicaid expansion being repealed. Then all those folks in the individual market that conservatives seem so concerned about now would be canceled and millions of them would be unable to obtain replacement coverage because of preexisting conditions. Not to mention that hospitals all over the country would go bankrupt because they would no longer get paid for care of the uninsured that seek treatment at the emergency room.

Simply put Obamacare can't be repealed without being replaced because it is so interwoven throughout the healthcare system. The choice going forward so it isn't' a debate between Obamare and the old system it is a debate between Obamacare and what would replace it.


You make it sound like skynet has been activated.

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The admin announced today that next year they are pushing back the start of the enrollment period until November 14, which coincidently is after the midterm elections.

DonDiego opines that the new date for enrollment in the 2015 edition of Obamacare being after the midterm 2014 election-date is not coincidental.

President Obama is quite convinced that those currently enrolling, soon to enroll, or eventually enrolling will be extremely pleased with their Obamacare Heath Insurance Plans.

The President realized that in the United States there is a pretty firmly established two-party political arrangement. And, if the rates were to be announced in mid-October as planned and if the participants/customers within or about to join Obamacare next year were to all vote Democrat next November as an expression of their joy and contentment with his eponymous health insurance program, then the Republicans would be at an extreme and unfair disadvantage. So to insure the defeat of at least a few Democrats to maintain at least a semblance of the two-party system, he delayed the announcement of the 2015 rates and enrollment in the 2015 plans by one month.

President Obama is indeed a most grandiloquent, fustian, and munificent monarch.

And besides, . . ."White House spokesman Jay Carney denied Friday that next year's midterm elections are the reason behind the administration's decision to postpone the 2014 opening date for 2015 enrollment in Obamacare -- from October 15 to November 15." PERIOD
Ref: CNN

Even though CNN did get a bit cheeky in the ensuing exposition:
"'All we ever heard about Obamacare is that it would lower our deductibles and premiums,' said Jennifer Slafter, 40 of Mabel, Minnesota. 'That's just not what's happened.'
Slafter and her husband, Steve, are scrambling to find affordable care for themselves and their two children. The exchange's BlueCross BlueShield plan was $1,087 a month with a $6,000 deductible, while a Medica plan was $877 a month with a $12,700 deductible.
Both are steeper than their current plan."

Whiners! DonDiego is sure they'll learn better, . . . eventually, . . . or wish they had.
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