There you go conservatives: Obamacare is failing

The govt says that 10% of the applications (based on the history of lies on this program it is probably north of 20%) are not going thru.

If a private company had a 10% error rate they would be out of business and the govt would be investigating.
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man



Ahh, . . . the memories, . . . Hammer Films The Mummy, 1959 starring Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee.

Little DonDiego saw this film on its release in 1959 at his hometown's theater, . . . admission was a dime for those under 12, . . . like little DonDiego. Christopher Lee was a good-enough mummy, . . . but no Boris Karloff. The problem with Hammer Films for little DonDiego was those buxom, long-haired, long-legged, British actresses would always slow the action. He had paid his dime to see the mummy !

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Roulette Man



Ahh, . . . the memories, . . . Hammer Films The Mummy, 1959 starring Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee.

Little DonDiego saw this film on its release in 1959 at his hometown's theater, . . . admission was a dime for those under 12, . . . like little DonDiego. Christopher Lee was a good-enough mummy, . . . but no Boris Karloff. The problem with Hammer Films for little DonDiego was those buxom, long-haired, long-legged, British actresses would always slow the action. He had paid his dime to see the mummy !



Hmm..Oedipous complex eh? hehehe

BTW I think it's a good thing this thread is still going, kinda like the delete thread. I beleive its better to have one main thread for the POL. bantering instead of clogging up the front page with every new topic that comes along. JMHO

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The govt says that 10% of the applications (based on the history of lies on this program it is probably north of 20%) are not going thru.

If a private company had a 10% error rate they would be out of business and the govt would be investigating.

hoops2's suspicion is confirmed. Actually the initial reports, . . . quoted accurately by hoops2, above . . . are not exactly the full story.

"The federal government said about one in four electronic transactions sent from HealthCare.gov to insurance companies in October and November could contain errors, raising concerns that some consumers who think they picked a health plan won't be enrolled by Jan. 1.
On Friday, CMS spokeswoman Julie Bataille said recent fixes to HealthCare.gov have driven the error rate down to about one in 10 for electronic files generated since Dec. 1. For October and November, she said the error rate was about one in four.
Ms. Bataille said errors fall into three categories: duplicate files, lack of a file, or a file with mistaken data such as a child being listed as a spouse.
The 834 form [the electronic file in question] is supposed to contain the person's name, address, contact information and Social Security number. Insurance companies use the information to bill consumers for their portion of the payment and to formally enroll people in insurance plans. If the 834 isn't sent or has errors, it means insurers can't complete the enrollment."

So, . . . maybe 25% of applications filed in October and November have errors which could include "lack of a file". Hmm, . . . "lack of a file"? Not surprisingly "lack of a file" would prevent the insurer from "completing the enrollment."
i.e. The applicant is, in fact, not insured. But the applicant may well think he is insured.
DonDiego supposes this could cause a problem sometime shortly after New Years Eve. Especially for someone who had his non-Obamacare-compliant insurance cancelled, and who thinks he is insured on 1 January 2014.

But, . . .never fear, . . . the program continues:
". . . it is likely that thousands of new 834 forms are being generated each day, meaning a one-in-10 error rate could still cause significant trouble for insurers."

Ref: The Wall Street Journal

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Even though we were told that info supplied on the web site was private, we now know that california has been giving that info to insurance companies.
Another great article by Forbes magazine on how Obamacare screws you on prescription drug coverage.

you might not be able to keep your prescription drugs under Obamacare.
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The President famously promised that you could keep your health plan and doctor. For many people, both of those pledges are turning out to be false. And now, you might not be able to keep your medicine, either.

Now here is some change I can believe in:
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Take, for example, the drug Copaxone for multiple sclerosis.
Someone on a bronze plan would be responsible for paying about 40% of the drug’s costs out of pocket, on average. That comes out to about $1,980 a month.

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But consider the even bigger problem lurking inside the law.
The out of pocket caps on consumer spending only apply to costs incurred on drugs that are included on a plan’s drug formulary.

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These are the ways that Obamacare cheapens the health coverage in order to pay for all of its expensive mandates. Obamacare is a throwback to the old HMO model of the 1990s, which promised a broad package of coverage for primary care benefits like vaccines, and routine doctor visits. But to pay for these benefits, the Obamacare plans skimp on other things – principally the number of doctors you’ll have access to, and also, the number of costlier branded drugs that make it onto formularies.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Another great article by Forbes magazine on how Obamacare screws you on prescription drug coverage.

you might not be able to keep your prescription drugs under Obamacare.
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The President famously promised that you could keep your health plan and doctor. For many people, both of those pledges are turning out to be false. And now, you might not be able to keep your medicine, either.

Now here is some change I can believe in:
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Take, for example, the drug Copaxone for multiple sclerosis.
Someone on a bronze plan would be responsible for paying about 40% of the drug’s costs out of pocket, on average. That comes out to about $1,980 a month.

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But consider the even bigger problem lurking inside the law.
The out of pocket caps on consumer spending only apply to costs incurred on drugs that are included on a plan’s drug formulary.

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These are the ways that Obamacare cheapens the health coverage in order to pay for all of its expensive mandates. Obamacare is a throwback to the old HMO model of the 1990s, which promised a broad package of coverage for primary care benefits like vaccines, and routine doctor visits. But to pay for these benefits, the Obamacare plans skimp on other things – principally the number of doctors you’ll have access to, and also, the number of costlier branded drugs that make it onto formularies.

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I like this part in particular,

"What Obamacare says, in effect, is that Americans made the wrong choice when they rejected those HMO plans in favor of PPOs. The President thinks the more comprehensive, but restrictive HMOs were the better choice after all."

So the people didn't like it, and he claims.."Oh no, I know what's best for you,trust me(and be sure to vote for me wink wink) and there will be peace and insurance throughout the land"

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Another great article by Forbes magazine on how Obamacare screws you on prescription drug coverage.

you might not be able to keep your prescription drugs under Obamacare.
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The President famously promised that you could keep your health plan and doctor. For many people, both of those pledges are turning out to be false. And now, you might not be able to keep your medicine, either.

Now here is some change I can believe in:
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Take, for example, the drug Copaxone for multiple sclerosis.
Someone on a bronze plan would be responsible for paying about 40% of the drug’s costs out of pocket, on average. That comes out to about $1,980 a month.

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But consider the even bigger problem lurking inside the law.
The out of pocket caps on consumer spending only apply to costs incurred on drugs that are included on a plan’s drug formulary.

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These are the ways that Obamacare cheapens the health coverage in order to pay for all of its expensive mandates. Obamacare is a throwback to the old HMO model of the 1990s, which promised a broad package of coverage for primary care benefits like vaccines, and routine doctor visits. But to pay for these benefits, the Obamacare plans skimp on other things – principally the number of doctors you’ll have access to, and also, the number of costlier branded drugs that make it onto formularies.

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Very informative. The Forbes article does a great job of stating the obvious: lesser quality plans provide lesser quality care. Eureka.

Forbes does not mention this is not a new development under the ACA. People with lower tier plans before Obamacare were subjected to the same restrictions as defined by their insurance companies.

I believe thats why one echelon of plans costs more than the other. If that is something you fundamentally object to then you should be prepared to spend alot more money to implement the law.

But part of the whole promise of Obamacare was that you would get coverage for preexisting conditions. So now we tell an MS patient is the good news we are going to give you coverage, but the bad news is your still going to have to pay $1,980 a month out of pocket. And it is not just low end plans if you actually read the article it talks about how it doesn't matter if you're on a Bronze or a Gold plan your still going to have to pay $6,350 or $12,700 per-year out of pocket depending on if you have single or family coverage and that is if your lucky enough that your drugs are on the approved list. If you're not on the approved list you pay 100% out of pocket. The article mentions several cancer treating drugs that are simply not covered at all, and in those cases it wouldn't matter if they brought the bronze plan or platinum plan the drugs wouldn't be covered under the high end or low end plans.

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Originally posted by: malibber2
Another great article by Forbes magazine on how Obamacare screws you on prescription drug coverage.

you might not be able to keep your prescription drugs under Obamacare...
According to an opinion piece from an American Enterprise Institute "scholar." You know, those same great folks who stocked the Bush administration full of Iraq invaders, climate change deniers, deregulators, and torture justifiers.

malibber, I'm sure at one time you used to look at those people and wonder at how they could latch onto the weakest evidence just to justify their pre-existing beliefs. Now you know. From the inside.

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