Things that make Fonzie say, "hmmmm...."

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Actually pjstroh still shares Senator Feinstein's view. As she stated on CBS's 60 Minutes after the passage of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in', I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't there."
See, . . . it's not that difficult to find out the truth.


Sorry - just for clarity:

Senator Feinstein said she would not confiscate assault weapons on the basis of not having enough votes. I said I would not confiscate assault weapons even if I were king and did not need votes. That almost seems like an oppossite point of view. But I dont mind being put in a box with Senator Feinstein. I understand she is a nice lady.


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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Sorry - just for clarity:

Senator Feinstein said she would not confiscate assault weapons on the basis of not having enough votes. I said I would not confiscate assault weapons even if I were king and did not need votes. That almost seems like an oppossite point of view. But I dont mind being put in a box with Senator Feinstein. I understand she is a nice lady.
Uh-Oh! Now DonDiego is thoroughly confused.

From somewhere earlier in this thread:
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
What would pjstroh do if he lived in a world without consequences to actions? Would he take away poor old Don Diego's assault weapon? Answer: Why yes I certainly would.
Whatever will happen to poor old DonDiego's assault weapon?

[STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER EPISODES]

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: pjstroh

Sorry - just for clarity:

Senator Feinstein said she would not confiscate assault weapons on the basis of not having enough votes. I said I would not confiscate assault weapons even if I were king and did not need votes. That almost seems like an oppossite point of view. But I dont mind being put in a box with Senator Feinstein. I understand she is a nice lady.
Uh-Oh! Now DonDiego is thoroughly confused.

From somewhere earlier in this thread:
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
What would pjstroh do if he lived in a world without consequences to actions? Would he take away poor old Don Diego's assault weapon? Answer: Why yes I certainly would.
Whatever will happen to poor old DonDiego's assault weapon?

[STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER EPISODES]


Oh, But I gave Don Diego my real world answer. Alas, Don Diego didn't like it. It didn;t put me in the box he wanted me in. So Don Diego demanded I provide him my postion in a fantasy world without consequences. I questioned the relevance but I obliged. And for the record, I would do all kinds of things differently in a world without consequences, Just to name a few:
- buy 10 cars on my credit card
- have unprotected sex
- punch Justin Bieber in the face

If Don DIego simply wants me to confess that I believe the country would be a better place if the civilian population had no access to assault weapons then I am 100% guilty as charged. If Don Diego wants a thoughtful answer to a real world question about cofniscating those weapons from existing owners then I point him to my prior post on the topic. But if Don Diego just wants to put me in a box with a funny label then I wont spoil his fun. Just please dont torture us with any more nauseating lectures about how you dont engage in name calling.


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Originally posted by: snidely333
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Originally posted by: arshaleign
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: arshaleign
Checkmate? As I previously pointed out, in further motivating women to abandon the GOP, Obama may be playing chess while the gun fondlers are playing checkers. Perhaps the next time you feel the need to be a fluffer for melbedewy, you should just say, "King me!" (or "King DonDiego!" Your choice.)
Huh! DonDiego and several others and even the most despicable (in some eyes) meldebewy are defending Americans' rights guaranteed in the Constitution and arshaleign [AKA forkush] is worried about getting more Democrats elected...
Actually, some of us are capable of caring about constitutional issues AND enjoying the prospect of gun fondlers encountering the law of unintended consequences. Don't hate me because I multi-task.

The majority of gun owners support many of the gun safety initiatives put forward recently, including universal background checks. So when I say "gun fondlers," I'm certainly NOT referring to them. I am however referring to the ones who share your paranoid fears.

So you can add "their confiscating our guns" to "Obama' a secret radical Muslim" to "the presidential polls are skewed" to "inflation is getting out of control" to "weapons of mass distruction" to "the birth certificate is a counterfeit." And let's not forget your famous link to the supposed nude crucifixions in front of the Egyptian Presidential Palace. DonDiego, I'm sure when you first saw Dr. Strangelove, you laughed when General Jack D. Ripper complained about the "International Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids." Did you ever imagine you'd turn into him?


WOW. That is a lot of straw men for just one post.
And darn, I forgot "keep the government's hands off of my Medicare" and "the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will produce a great economy." Among others.

Of course, snidely fundamentally misunderstands the phrase "strawman argument." I did not create specious, non-existent straw arguments from the other side and then easily knock them down. Rather, I enumerated many of the mainstream beliefs of the Tea Party/WorldNetDaily/melbedewy/DonDiego branch of political "thought," and then chose NOT to refute any of them. If they look stupid and paranoid all bunched up together like that, don't blame me.

Oh yes the evil president Bush economy; when the 8 year average unemployment, deficit, oil prices, poverty rate and people on the number of people on food stamps were all significantly lower than the obama economy
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Oh yes the evil president Bush economy; when the 8 year average unemployment, deficit, oil prices, poverty rate and people on the number of people on food stamps were all significantly lower than the obama economy
I hear Herbert Hoover's average was pretty good too!
Re: arshaleign's [AKA forkush's] most recent post:

Why does arshaleign [AKA forkush] repeatedly feel the need to catalog the disagreements he's had with certain posters over the years when he commences to enter debate on a new subject. e.g.The subject is gun legislation contemplated by the new Congress. And arshaleign [AKA forkush] commences to assign to his opponents, . . . or at least poor old DonDiego, . . . positions held, real and imagined, over literally years.

__DonDiego has stated earlier that he has no strong objection to additional background checks; philosophically, DonDiego would favor less Government intrusion over more in just about everything, but he is hardly paranoid over this issue. [Oh, . . . on the paranoia issue: DonDiego realized some might find his concern over defense of his home over-the-top. This is why he was careful to include a reference that he thought the likelihood was low. DonDiego suggests recognition of a low probability indicates a lack of paranoia and does not mean one should not be prepared just in case.]

__DonDiego does oppose gun confiscation from law-abiding citizens; he opines it would be unconstitutional. He recognizes there are folks who think it is not unconstitutional. He does not believe "their [sic] confiscating our guns" now, but he recognizes some people in authority would like to. [This does bring up an interesting issue. What if they did start confiscating guns? Would DonDiego stand up to them at his doorway? If, say, four SWAT-types showed up in full gear, would DonDiego shoot it out with them? Umm, . . . . HELL NO! That would be freakin' suicide. DonDiego ain't no fool.]

__DonDiego has never stated: "Obama' [sic] a secret radical Muslim." He perceives some policies of President Obama, . . . like the immediate lending of support to the "revolutionaries" in Egypt and Libya may end up aiding the radical Muslim cause. He generally opposes policies which aid Muslim radicals.

__DonDiego doesn't recall stating "The presidential polls are skewed." The subject holds little interest for him. A cursory tour of the internet reveals some polls are more accurate than others, and over the years the accuracy-rankings rise and fall for the different polling organizations.

__DonDiego has expected inflation to "get out of control by now". DonDiego still expects inflation to return. He perceives it to be the ultimate result of the debt crisis which is still extant in the USA, Europe, and elsewhere. [Where is all that money being created through the central banks going, anyway?] He expects some economic turmoil which will result in some societal disorder, hopefully brief. [ONE GOTCHA!]

__DonDiego does not know what the phrase "weapons of mass destruction" refers to. If it is Saddam Hussein, lots of folks including folks in authority who voted to support the Iraq incursion were fooled into believing he had weapons of mass destruction. DonDiego had no personnel knowledge acquired on the ground. If it refers to the potential for an Iranian nuclear bomb, OK, . . . umm, yeah, they're workin' on it. Oh, and DonDiego's read rumors of nerve gas in Syria.

__DonDiego never claimed the Birth Certificate was a counterfeit. Within the debate on the matter while others presented the Obama-line, DonDiego provided the evidence of those claiming it to be counterfeit, and always included references so the reader could judge for himself. He never reached the conclusion that it is counterfeit; he does consider some of the evidence that it is counterfeit troubling. Again, DonDiego has no direct personal knowledge of the birth of President Obama. [Often DonDiego will post a news story. Sometimes a news story which includes an opinion. Sometimes an opinion piece. This does not mean that DonDiego agrees with the story or the opinion. Much of what DonDiego posts is not intended to support some predetermined opinion, or any opinion at all. Sometimes DonDiego has no opinion.]

__The link to the nude crucifixions story was unfortunate; it just seemed too "good" to be true. It was. As noted, DonDiego provided a reference; he is unlikely to reference that source again. [ONE GOTCHA!]
Nonetheless, DonDiego does expect if the present leadership in Egypt can consolidate its power, things will get much worse for those citizens of Egypt standing in opposition, . . . and especially non-Muslims.

__When DonDiego first saw Dr. Strangelove he did not laugh at General Jack D. Ripper. DonDiego remains unlikely to launch a Nuclear Bomber Wing against any member of the International Communist Conspiracy. He does try to maintain the purity of his precious bodily fluids, with the exception of occasional excessive consumption of delicious malty craft beers, . . . oh, and cheese too.

__DonDiego has never stated: "keep the government's hands off my Medicare". Why, heckfire, that's writ' in the first person.

__DonDiego has never stated: "the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy will produce a great economy". DonDiego does opine that lesser government and lower taxes are preferable to more government and higher taxes and more likely to result in a better economy. He would prefer lower taxes on everyone. And less Government. Given the present size and scope of the US Government he finds it difficult to foresee a great economy.


It occurs to poor old DonDiego that arshaleign [AKA forkush] may be ascribing to those with whom he disagrees politically all of the opinions of everyone with whom he disagrees. No wonder he seems so angry, . . . almost hateful.

If arshaleign[AKA forkush] must hate DonDiego, at least hate him for a good reason.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Oh, But I gave Don Diego my real world answer. Alas, Don Diego didn't like it. It didn;t put me in the box he wanted me in. So Don Diego demanded I provide him my postion in a fantasy world without consequences. I questioned the relevance but I obliged. And for the record, I would do all kinds of things differently in a world without consequences, Just to name a few:
- buy 10 cars on my credit card
- have unprotected sex
- punch Justin Bieber in the face

If Don DIego simply wants me to confess that I believe the country would be a better place if the civilian population had no access to assault weapons then I am 100% guilty as charged. If Don Diego wants a thoughtful answer to a real world question about cofniscating those weapons from existing owners then I point him to my prior post on the topic. But if Don Diego just wants to put me in a box with a funny label then I wont spoil his fun. Just please dont torture us with any more nauseating lectures about how you dont engage in name calling.
[THIS IS A SINCERE APOLOGY.]

DonDiego apologizes. He honestly just wanted to understand pjstroh's position. He doesn't intend to place people in boxes.

DonDiego was being too cute and erred in the wording of the original question.

Then he compounded the error. DonDiego had understood the difference between the "real world" and "being King for a day." He didn't recognize the difference pjstroh saw between "being King for a day" and "a world with no consequences".
He apologizes if pjstroh perceived any name-calling. It was not intended.


There is no need for Don Diego to apologize. The nature of these threads is such that we often cross lines of civility. I do it all the time without apologizing. Don Diego need not either. I never harbor hard feelings toward DD - I hope he does not either. I actually enjoy Don Diego holding the hand of the little devil on his shoulder. Its kinda like watching Anikin Skywalker succomb to the evil temptations of the dark side.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
...It occurs to poor old DonDiego that arshaleign [AKA forkush] may be ascribing to those with whom he disagrees politically all of the opinions of everyone with whom he disagrees. No wonder he seems so angry, . . . almost hateful...
Stop flinching DonDiego, it's unbecoming. You've pimped World Net Daily (Birther Central) on these pages, so how can it be hateful to point out the paranoid claims of a favored "news" source? Are you saying WND is great, but you don't believe their claims? You recommended a site that features Ted Nugent and once photoshopped Obama out of a picture with his own (horrors!) white grandparents, but I'm the hater?

So on behalf of mirrors everywhere, I'd just like to say: Don't blame me.
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