Why do certain groups of young men get shot by the police?

Ahh, . . . now DonDiego gets it, . . . the "Ferguson Event" is just like the "Boston Tea Party".



Ref: Concrete Classroom
More white house officials attended the brown funeral than PM Thatcher's funeral
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Ahh, . . . now DonDiego gets it, . . . the "Ferguson Event" is just like the "Boston Tea Party".

Ref: Concrete Classroom


Of course they are not the same thing! Duh! The uprise in Ferguson is not centered around a white, anti-government, armed bigot. And it would appear thats the disqualifying factor according to DonDiego.
I simply base that on the fact that DonDiego felt compelled to share this quote when the government tried to enforce law amidst armed protestors and threats of violence in Nevada...

"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
__ Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Ahh, . . . now DonDiego gets it, . . . the "Ferguson Event" is just like the "Boston Tea Party".
Ref: Concrete Classroom
Of course they are not the same thing! Duh! The uprise in Ferguson is not centered around a white, anti-government, armed bigot. And it would appear thats the disqualifying factor according to DonDiego.
I simply base that on the fact that DonDiego felt compelled to share this quote when the government tried to enforce law amidst armed protestors and threats of violence in Nevada...

"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
__ Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787

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DonDiego is puzzled.

DonDiego referenced an online gentleman's opinion suggesting an equivalence between the Ferguson Event [FE] and the Boston Tea Party [BTP]. DonDiego, neglecting to employ a sarcasm emotion, agreed they were just like each other.

__And pjstroh's response is the FE is not like the BTP, because the FE "is not centered around a white, anti-government, armed bigot", presumedly Mr. Clive Bundy.
__And then pjstroh comes up with something incomprehensible about a "disqualifying factor", . . . whatever that means.
__And then pjstroh references poor old DonDiego quoting President Thomas Jefferson. Huh?

Rather than try to decipher pjstroh, DonDiego will just state his opinion on the matters. For the record, in order of their occurrence:

__DonDiego regards the BTP, as did John Adams, a principled political protest and an act by the people to defend their constitutional rights, and not the act of a lawless mob. No one was injured. Nothing was stolen. Tea was dumped in the harbor. Benjamin Franklin stated that the destroyed tea must be paid for; Robert Murray, a New York merchant, went to Lord North with three other merchants and offered to pay for the losses, but the offer was turned down. In February 1775, Britain passed the Conciliatory Resolution, which ended taxation for any colony that satisfactorily provided for the imperial defense and the upkeep of imperial officers. The tax on tea was repealed with the Taxation of Colonies Act 1778, part of another Parliamentary attempt at conciliation that failed.

__DonDiego opines the confrontation between Mr. Bundy and Federal Agents of the Bureau of Land Management arose over a difference of opinion regarding Mr. Bundy's right to graze his cattle on Federal land, . . . with implications for Federal Land Use and States' Rights issues. In the link provided by pjstroh:
i. DonDiego cited Thomas Jefferson to indicate he had likely expected many more "rebellions" against the United States by its citizens than have occurred in fact. President Jefferson had no knowledge of the Bundy Confrontation, and thus took no side. DonDiego did not imply that he had.
ii. DonDiego also discussed his general proposition that the Government should enforce the Law, as written. [i.e. If Mr. Bundy broke the Law, the Government should enforce the Law. Just as President Jefferson, DonDiego doesn't know the present Law sufficiently well; he suspects Mr. Bundy has broken it. DonDiego was not in favor of an armed conflict; DonDiego took neither side in the matter.
Mr. Bundy and his armed supporters stood their ground, and the BLM agents backed down. So far as DonDiego knows nothing has been resolved subsequently.]

__DonDiego surmises the FE is:
i. a political protest in response to an as yet unexplained police shooting. DonDiego supports peaceful political protest, whether he agrees with the goal or not.
ii. a straightforward exercise in looting and mayhem employing the political protest as cover. Laws pertaining to theft, vandalism, and public order should be enforced. Those participating should be stopped and apprehended and prosecuted.


Funny how when a white cop gets killed by a black man, no one famous shows up. Think about it, I sure did.
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Originally posted by: treegirl
I forgot...you were there.
See, now that's called projection!

Because my offending statement, "He was stopped for jaywalking," has been affirmed by multiple sources, including the police chief. On the other hand, your accusation that Brown "charged at a police officer" is obviously unproven and disputed. So you're the one who is acting as if you are there, and I am not. Get it; projection.

treegirl, it seems to me you like to just create your own reality. But we already knew that.

There's not much in my post that's difficult to decipher presuming the reader speaks English. And there's not much to decipher in Don Diego's posts on the Clive Bundy thread or in this thread. They are also in English. I did not concoct any false reference to DonDiego citing a militant quote in the Clive Bundy thread. My reference is very real and the words can be seen in Don Diego's very own post. And it presents a very different disposition than the mocking post DonDiego posts in this thread regarding Ferguson.

Dont kill the messenger. I'm just pointing to 2 different posts that came straight from DonDiego's keyboard. I promise I'm just here to help.

Incidentally....I'm not aware of any liberal that has tried to compare the Ferguson riots to the Boston Tea Party...nor have I heard any liberal pundit try to rationalize or justify any illegal, violent behavior that has occurred in Ferguson. And I certainly haven't heard any liberals reference the aforementioned Thomas Jefferson quote in the wake of any violence there. There may be such people - but I'm glad I'm not one of them. I make a conscious effort to take my values seriously, irregardless of political context.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
There's not much in my post that's difficult to decipher presuming the reader speaks English.
Umm, . . . OK. What does "thats the disqualifying factor according to DonDiego" mean? What "factor" is being "disqualified" and from "what"?

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
And there's not much to decipher in Don Diego's posts on the Clive Bundy thread or in this thread. They are also in English. I did not concoct any false reference to DonDiego citing a militant quote in the Clive Bundy thread. My reference is very real and the words can be seen in Don Diego's very own post. And it presents a very different disposition than the mocking post DonDiego posts in this thread regarding Ferguson.
Huh? A militant quote? DonDiego quoted President Jefferson. And DonDiego quoted a Christian Science Monitor article addressing Western States attempting to take over Federal lands.
Neither supports Mr. Bundy's "rebellion".

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Dont kill the messenger. I'm just pointing to 2 different posts that came straight from DonDiego's keyboard. I promise I'm just here to help.
DonDiego plans no killing; he is a pussycat at heart. DonDiego stands behind the 2 posts to which pjstroh linked. DonDiego does not understand how pjstroh is helping; pjstroh seems annoyed at poor old DonDiego and poor old DonDiego doesn't know why.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Incidentally....I'm not aware of any liberal that has tried to compare the Ferguson riots to the Boston Tea Party...nor have I heard any liberal pundit try to rationalize or justify any illegal, violent behavior that has occurred in Ferguson. And I certainly haven't heard any liberals reference the aforementioned Thomas Jefferson quote in the wake of any violence there. There may be such people - but I'm glad I'm not one of them. I make a conscious effort to take my values seriously, irregardless of political context.
i. Umm, . . . how about the author of Concrete Classroom? DonDiego supposes he is a liberal trying to equate the violence of the FE to the activity aboard the Dartmouth, the Eleanor and the Beaver at Griffin's Wharf, Boston. But DonDiego is not fond of political labels generally; once one categorizes someone as a "liberal" or "conservative" or "whatever", he is less likely to understand what they actually say. So he doesn't really care to what category, if any, the person comparing the FE to the BTP belongs.
ii. The Thomas Jefferson quote doesn't apply to the FE. There is no Federal issue involved there or rebellion against the Federal Government. The peaceful protestors are exercising their right to assemble; those burning and looting and shooting are thugs who should be arrested. [n.b. There may be a political issue - that the White police officer violated the Black robber's/jaywalker's civil rights. DonDiego doesn't know the truth of the matter, but he expects Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al to keep the issue alive.]
iii. DonDiego is just trying to understand pjstroh's point; DonDiego thinks pjstroh disagrees with poor old DonDiego, but he doesn't understand why.

We've just watched the incredibly inexperienced, foolishly blinded liberal pj get undressed once again for his desperation comments. How much humiliation can he endure?
Oooo..I love it when DonDiego is purposefully obtuse. Lets see. Would it help if I spell it out in bold this time so DonDiego can read better? Bigger font maybe? Or perhaps I should refer to myself in the 3rd person...would that alleviate DonDIego's confusion with the English language? I just want to help. really.

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Originally posted by: DonDIego
Umm, . . . OK. What does "thats the disqualifying factor according to DonDiego" mean? What "factor" is being "disqualified" and from "what"?


Disqualifying factor: The uprise in Ferguson is not centered around a white, anti-government, armed bigot.
Disqualified from what: the "Ferguson Event" is just like the "Boston Tea Party".


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Originally posted by: DonDIego
Huh? A militant quote? DonDiego quoted President Jefferson. And DonDiego quoted a Christian Science Monitor article addressing Western States attempting to take over Federal lands.
Neither supports Mr. Bundy's "rebellion".


Again...in bold. DonDiego's militant (or is it non-militant?) quote he felt inspired to share on the Clive Bundy thread. I cant even begin to understand DonDiego's confusion here. Perhaps the fact that Thomas Jefferson is the author somehow makes this quote impervious to an accurate description of its rationalization of militant, violent rebellion?

"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
__ Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787






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