World Health Organization: Covid lockdowns doing more harm than good

Oh, the Republicans, being "the party of law and order," are very very very very very very very much against it. They've already flooded the airwaves with ads screaming that criminals will be flooding the streets yada yada yada belch grunt snort.

Also, the people who would benefit the most from an "own recognizance" bail policy are the poor (who can't afford to post bond) and minorities (who are generally poorer, don't navigate the legal system as well, and tend to be given harsher bail requirements). Minorities and the poor have been the targets of white-hot Republican hatred for decades now. They HATE the idea of any policies that would benefit those groups.

I've read multiple studies that show that those who remain incarcerated before trial are found guilty at a higher rate and receive longer sentences than those who manage to post bail, adjusting for all variables such as location, gender, socioeconomic status, etc. I would hazard a guess, for instance, that it's a lot harder to put together a viable defense when you meet your lawyer for fifteen minutes in a jail cell than when you meet with him for an hour in his office.

So cash bail is a social injustice, in that it leads to unequal justice under the law. That's the sort of thing that really bothers liberals, but doesn't matter one bit to conservatives. In fact, Republicans have extended that to being HAPPY that minorities and the poor go to prison more often than the rest of the population.

That's why I'm a liberal. Liberal liberal liberal. Boogey boogey boogey. SOOOOCIALISM! I'm coming to take away your precious Second Amendment rights!! Illegal immigrants everywhere! Deep State! AIEEEEEEE!

Sorry, got carried away there for a moment.

Meanwhile back in the real world in NYC, here is what happened after NY passed their bail law in January.

 In March, the New York Police Department released a report showing that crime in February 2020 had jumped 22.5 percent compared to February 2019.

In the first 58 days of 2020, 482 people who had been arrested on charges where a cash bail was prohibited went on to commit 846 new crimes (almost 2 per criminal).

"Thirty-five percent of the new crimes were for arrests in seven major crime categories - murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny and grand larceny auto - that is nearly triple the amount of those crimes committed in the same 58 days in 2019," the report claimed

Tom, you have to understand something fundamental. People who are arrested and are awaiting trial are not "criminals" in the eyes of the law.

But go ahead and spin your Fox News fantasies. The report you mention was bogus, by the way. I won't bother to point out why.

Debunked.

The New York Post looked over the city's data of 528 shooting incidents from the start of the year through the end of June. Only one person who had been released on bail under these bail reforms has been charged with a shooting, according to the NYPD's own data. Less than 1 percent of the 11,000 people who have been released from Rikers Island this year have a connection to a shooting in the city, and more than half of those people are connected as a witness or a victim, not as a suspect.

Source

Thanks. I didn't want to bother to refute Tom's lies.

Amazing how Trumpers continually attempt to create their own reality. Probably because in the real world, they shamefully support a traitor.

Why are actual crime reports lies?  Is it because it it disproves your narrative?

The fact remains that 482 people released on bail were arrested on 846 new crimes 

Tom's source cited data on "murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny, and grand larceny auto."  

Mister's source cited data on "shootings."  

Apples and oranges here?  

Candy

You're right! Here are your apples to apples from Politifact. You're welcome.

“Cuomo ended cash bail ... and now the crime rate has gone through the roof.” - rated false.

Tom's "source" was bogus. You can't believe everything you read. And you can't believe anything you read if Tom posts it.

Most of us have learned to regard "news" reports from other-than-reputable sources with a healthy dose of skepticism. Tom and his ilk turn off that filter because those "news" sources tell them what they want to hear. That's why in 2016, our democracy fell to an attack by a storm of Russian troll-bots. They figured out how to delude millions of Americans, and did a mighty good job of it, too.

Candy, you KNOW that Trumpers have a hard-on for large "Democrat-run" cities and will do or say anything to attack them and their leaders. Why is that? Because it's a continual theme of Trump at his hate rallies. They don't actually think about what Trump feeds them--they just happily gulp it down, and regurgitate it on demand. It's like a dog being trained to roll over on command. He doesn't know why his master wants him to do that, but he's eager to obey.

The survival of our country depends on how many loyal Trump doggies we have this time around.

Kevin is funny.  I posted a video of a senior doctor from the WHO talking about the detrimental effects of lockdowns on the economy, which is leading to more child malnutrition and a double of the poor across the world.  Kevin tells us that this video should be ignored because it was made public by a conservative organization.

Kevin believes the truth is unimportanted if presented by one who holds differing views than his.  How does this make sense, even to Kevin?