I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The point of the article is that the obamcare plans have a very limited choice of facilities.



Do they have as many options as the system you advocate we go back to? The one where they had no insurance?
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I think we all miss the old days where every health insurance policy included free access to every doctor, facility, and treatment option in the nation.
Shame that those old days never actually existed.
DonDiego suggests Chilcoot is intentionally misrepresenting the "old days" so as to make Obamacare look not quite so bad in comparison with the real "old days".

What people are missing is the "Good Old Days" when:
. . . if a person liked their healthcare plan they could keep their healthcare plan. PERIOD !
. . . if a person liked their doctor they could keep their doctor. PERIOD !

Somebody lied to them.

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Originally posted by: pjstroh
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Originally posted by: hoops2
The point of the article is that the obamcare plans have a very limited choice of facilities.



Do they have as many options as the system you advocate we go back to? The one where they had no insurance?


Only 1 million of the previouly uninsured have signed up for obamacare, so the point you are making is irrelevant
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
I think we all miss the old days where every health insurance policy included free access to every doctor, facility, and treatment option in the nation.
Shame that those old days never actually existed.
DonDiego suggests Chilcoot is intentionally misrepresenting the "old days" so as to make Obamacare look not quite so bad in comparison with the real "old days".

What people are missing is the "Good Old Days" when:
. . . if a person liked their healthcare plan they could keep their healthcare plan. PERIOD !
. . . if a person liked their doctor they could keep their doctor. PERIOD !

Somebody lied to them.



I miss the good ole days when private insurance companies never made changes to their network of doctors. Or when insurance companies never engaged in the practice of recission once their customers got sick.

Amusing how DonDiego accusses someone of lying in the same post where he makes false, outrageous claims.

Now I know why DonDiego likes the book 1984 so much. He enjoys rewriting history.

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
What people are missing is the "Good Old Days" when:
. . . if a person liked their healthcare plan they could keep their healthcare plan. PERIOD !
. . . if a person liked their doctor they could keep their doctor. PERIOD !
These are days that never existed.

Health insurance plans are contracts. These contracts typically had one year terms. If, as the end of the year approached, the insurer wanted to change or cancel the contract, it was free to do so. And often did. Even if the insured wanted to keep the contract.

Amond the changes that insurers frequently made was to their roster of approved physicians. Physicians came and went. In fact, sometimes the physicians themselves would decide not to deal with a particular insurer anymore and exited the plan. And so, as a result, insureds were not able to keep their doctor, even if they wanted to.

The days you pretend to remember never existed.
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
What people are missing is the "Good Old Days" when:
. . . if a person liked their healthcare plan they could keep their healthcare plan. PERIOD !
. . . if a person liked their doctor they could keep their doctor. PERIOD !
These are days that never existed.

Then why did The Obama say it was so ?

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Originally posted by: hoops2
The point of the article is that the obamcare plans have a very limited choice of facilities.amcare plan?
And if you live in Las Vegas you have limited choices, and NO choice if you are looking for a top twenty cancer hospital. Alert the media; neither Vegas nor Obamacare are perfect.

And the majority of Americans are not even eligible to enroll in Obamacare, so your gotcha question on that subject is a phony. I give it three Benghazis (out of four).

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
Then why did The Obama say it was so ?
And so now the point of this exercise is revealed more fully.

None of this is about healthcare. All these supposed concerns (healthcare, Benghazi, Secret Muslim (tm), IRS, BetweenTwoFerns-gate, fake unemployment numbers, Fast and Furious, birth certificate) are all really just made-up proxies for the true point.

It's all about making up reasons to attack America's President.

Sucks for you that he never really gives you anything good to use like your occasional Presidents give us (Iraq, Afghanistan, busted budgets, recessions, Beirut barracks bombing, "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US", Reykjavik, torture, Iran weapons sales, collapse of world financial system).

Guess that's why we've won five of the last six Presidential votes, the last two by electoral margins that even conservatives concede are landslides.



So you got President Obama wrongly telling 262 million insured Americans that if they like their current plan they could keep it when, in fact, it's only true for 258 million of them could. I guess that this qualifies as a huge blow for you. I don't want to rain on your rare parade, I know how important having something, ANYTHING, on this President must be for you.

So congrats!
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: Chilcoot
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Originally posted by: DonDiego
What people are missing is the "Good Old Days" when:
. . . if a person liked their healthcare plan they could keep their healthcare plan. PERIOD !
. . . if a person liked their doctor they could keep their doctor. PERIOD !
These are days that never existed.

Then why did The Obama say it was so ?


Maybe he lied for the same reason you did.
Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration.

The expected rate hikes will be announced in the coming months amid an intense election year, when control of the Senate is up for grabs. The sticker shock would likely bolster the GOP’s prospects in November and hamper ObamaCare insurance enrollment efforts in 2015.

The industry complaints come less than a week after Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sought to downplay concerns about rising premiums in the healthcare sector. She told lawmakers rates would increase in 2015 but grow more slowly than in the past.

“The increases are far less significant than what they were prior to the Affordable Care Act,” the secretary said in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee.

Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.

“It’s pretty shortsighted because I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.
The insurance official, who hails from a populous swing state, said his company expects to triple its rates next year on the ObamaCare exchange.


Read more: https://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/201136-obamacare-premiums-are-about-to-skyrocket#ixzz2wW2IL42f
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