I had a delightful conversation with a health Insurance company rep this morning

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Originally posted by: DonDiego
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Originally posted by: forkushV
I don't believe you. Why would millions more people insured by Obamacare carriers, like Blue Cross, Cigna, and United Healthcare, cause your family physician to quit?

DonDiego has no control over what forkushV believes.
Maybe you just don't want to answer the question.

Doctors can quit for lots of reasons...including sour grapes over an election.

I hold people responsible for their own, conscious decisions instead of blaming something else. Barack Obama did not force Don Diego's doctor to quit. But if Don Diego and his doctor want to be upset about the election that is their right. Aint America great?
Polls consistently show that 60% of the country does not approve of obamacare.

pelosi and company can continue to pretend that it is working but the reality is that it isn't
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Originally posted by: hoops2
Polls consistently show that 60% of the country does not approve of obamacare.




Half of those people are upset because the law doesn't go far enough....and depending on the day of the week you are one of those people as demonstrated by your complaints on this thread about delays in the law being implemented.

hoops2 is unaware of yesterday's Bloomberg Poll. It found that 64% of Americans either want Obamacare to stay in place as is (13%) or be kept with just small modifications (51%). Only 34% say they want it repealed.

This represents the highest acceptance of Obamacare in that poll to date.
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Originally posted by: pjstroh
Doctors can quit for lots of reasons...including sour grapes over an election.

I hold people responsible for their own, conscious decisions instead of blaming something else. Barack Obama did not force Don Diego's doctor to quit. But if Don Diego and his doctor want to be upset about the election that is their right. Aint America great?
Yep. BobOrme's doc decided to close his practice before President Obama was even elected. Thanks Obama!




I think BobOrme wrote a while back that he doesn't use health insurance. BobOrme said he used to just walk up to his doctor, negotiate a price, and pay cash (or perhaps gold he prospected, he seems quite resourceful).

I can just imagine how it all went down between BobOrme and Dr. Hamstra in 1985:

"Hello, Dr. Hamstra, I am bleeding to death internally and wish to haggle over surgery. But be warned, I am a good negotiator and will spend what few minutes I have left looking elsewhere for live-saving surgery if your price is not to my liking."



I think BobOrme now has Medicare, which suggests he could still have Dr. Hamstra as his physician. You know, BobOrme benefitting from socialism, the good doctor benefitting from socialism. Beautiful, really.
Here is the story....

Our doctor of 5 years, closed his practice (and I got this directly from his nurse/wife) because of 2 reasons: a) Medicare changes on payments to doctors and b) ObamaCare information given their office about the new law & payments. She said they were having a difficult time staying afloat with the Medicare payment changes, but once ObamaCare came in, they were absolutely done.

When you consider that a regular (not speciality doctors like Heart surgeons or Plastic surgeons) small practice has the doctor, the nurse (and maybe several nurses), the office staff, and malpractice insurance payments, Workman's comp payments, to cover along with the salary/insurance/etc for all.....they aren't super-rich like we used to think all doctors were in the "old days". I'd go in for an appt and be there for 30 minutes (with 10-15 minutes spent with the doctor) and the insurance would cover $35 for the visit. I used to wonder how he made any money with all the expenses he had and this was before ObamaCare. And....yes, there would be "more" patients....but "more" while being paid "less" is not a positive factor....you'd just be losing money at a faster rate. (And, that is if doctors are accepting new patients. When we lived back West, it took us 2-3 months to find a doctor who was accepting new patients)

Anyway, our doctor got hired by a hospital to be a "Hospitalist", so he totally closed his office/practice and all of his patients had to look for new doctors. (Personally, this would be the only way I would consider being a doctor these days....let the hospital bill the patients and worrying about collecting insurance while you (the doctor) just see patients.)

And, it is a good thing that we still have group insurance...because the new office was not taking new Medicare patients and only accepted DonDiego (who is also on Medicare) because of the group insurance that we have kept (since I am too young to go on Medicare).

You can believe or dis-believe us, but this is truly what happened to DonDiego and me. I'm sure some GPs and Internists are doing okay, but this is the true story of our doctor.
Doctors have been transitioning away from private practice for decades. It's because insurers have been building provider networks over whom they can better control costs. The doctors are still there and working, but not in private practice.

Here's how Kaiser put it recently:

The main way insurers control costs is by negotiating and selectively contracting with doctors and hospitals. That’s been the case for decades. The only real connection to the Affordable Care Act is that the health reform law is making insurers compete for customers more aggressively.

I can believe that this one doctor closed his private practice over frustration with how the payment process and amounts have been changing.
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Originally posted by: teechur
Here is the story....

Our doctor of 5 years, closed his practice (and I got this directly from his nurse/wife) because of 2 reasons: a) Medicare changes on payments to doctors and b) ObamaCare information given their office about the new law & payments. She said they were having a difficult time staying afloat with the Medicare payment changes, but once ObamaCare came in, they were absolutely done.

When you consider that a regular (not speciality doctors like Heart surgeons or Plastic surgeons) small practice has the doctor, the nurse (and maybe several nurses), the office staff, and malpractice insurance payments, Workman's comp payments, to cover along with the salary/insurance/etc for all.....they aren't super-rich like we used to think all doctors were in the "old days". I'd go in for an appt and be there for 30 minutes (with 10-15 minutes spent with the doctor) and the insurance would cover $35 for the visit. I used to wonder how he made any money with all the expenses he had and this was before ObamaCare. And....yes, there would be "more" patients....but "more" while being paid "less" is not a positive factor....you'd just be losing money at a faster rate. (And, that is if doctors are accepting new patients. When we lived back West, it took us 2-3 months to find a doctor who was accepting new patients)

Anyway, our doctor got hired by a hospital to be a "Hospitalist", so he totally closed his office/practice and all of his patients had to look for new doctors. (Personally, this would be the only way I would consider being a doctor these days....let the hospital bill the patients and worrying about collecting insurance while you (the doctor) just see patients.)

And, it is a good thing that we still have group insurance...because the new office was not taking new Medicare patients and only accepted DonDiego (who is also on Medicare) because of the group insurance that we have kept (since I am too young to go on Medicare).

You can believe or dis-believe us, but this is truly what happened to DonDiego and me. I'm sure some GPs and Internists are doing okay, but this is the true story of our doctor.
Can you name one single issue with Obamacare that your physician had? I mean just ONE. Because EVERY specific you cited related to Medicare, not to the ACA. Just about your whole post was about Medicare, not Obamacare. Which is why I was correct when I chose to disbelieve DonDiego.

I wouldn't say that you are dishonest if you can't name one single thing, but it would indicate that you are clueless.
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