"X" a/k/a The Harrah's Rincon million $$ drawings

Nobody said you had to post it here first. Ever heard of copy/past? You could've easily posted the complete message here without posting a link to your own forum. So the conclusion stays the same: generating traffic to your own website. The reason you probably won't make a lot of money through your forum is because there's very little traffic. What a shock.

Your other reason is BS (to have Bob Dancer see your message). Since you're such a big shot in the TV business it should be relatively easy for you to reach Bob Dancer. You don't need a forum for that.

Can you elaborate along with some examples?

I'll give you my own example. In November I had approximately $300,000 of coin in at video poker playing $5 Aces and Faces and some at $2. 8/5 paytables for both. Play in November determined free play for January. So far in January I have the following free play offers:

Monthly bonus $735
Week #1 165
Week #2 165
Week #3 165
Week #4 165
Week #5 165 (yes there are five weeks on the Rincon calendar for January)

Jan 3 200
Jan 5 215
Jan 13 80 to $1,000 "mystery money"
Jan 18 120
Jan 20 80 to $1,000 "mystery money"
Jan 25 120
Jan 27 80 to $1,000 "mystery money"

In one night of play on Jan 3 I accumulated enough comp reward points that could be redeemed for an additional $320 of free play

Every Thursday is another "mystery money" day where I am guaranteed a minimum of $100 to $1,000 and there are five Thursdays in the month. So at the minimum add in $500.

On January 11 there is a $135 cash offer plus for every $4,000 of coin in on Jan 11 and Jan 12 I get $10.

And this is only the 5th of the month. New daily and special offers arrive almost daily. But adding up the minimum value of the offers so far this month, I get a total of $3410. And remember that if I play more, I can also use those reward comps to convert for additional free play.

There are also some "one time" offers where I would get $20 of free play in lieu of gift items.

I am expecting other daily offers to come in that will be worth another $500 or more. If I get lucky and hit some of the "mystery money" bonuses there could be thousands more.

And I am just a $5 player. Now, what do you think the $100 players are getting? And how much comp rewards can $100 players convert to free play? Remember, in ONE NIGHT I racked up enough credits for $320 of free play on a $5 machine.

My free play comes in at slightly more than one-tenth of one percent. What do you think the $100 players are getting?

I expect that the $100 players are getting 20x more than the $5 players.

Are you making money at the $5 level? If so, you could make 20x that at the $100 level.
But if you are losing money at the $5 level then you will lose 20x that at the $100 level.

Betting more will not change the odds to turn a bad bet into a good one even if you have some special plays.

I made a typo. My free play was more than ONE PERCENT of coin in, not one-tenth of one percent. Also there are multiplier days when 7stars get comps multiplied. I am sure the casino doesn't expect players to use all offers but local players do. And the key is loading up the free play on the offer dates and then playing it on tuesdays for triple entries. You can bank the free play offers for up to a month.

OMG, it turns out money is an APer afterall.

roadtrip, fedomalley, care to comment about the 1-percent+ free play based on coin in on a 99.26% game, plus the other perks and drawings?

I don't have to ask lurker poster for comments. He'll simply say Im trying to drive traffic.

Kaypea wrote:

"Are you making money at the $5 level? If so, you could make 20x that at the $100 level.
But if you are losing money at the $5 level then you will lose 20x that at the $100 level."

In the first half of 2012 I lost money. But in the last three months of 2012 I had a tremendous run at the game which included 8 royals (11 royals for the full year).

I don't have the bankroll to play at the $100 level, and couldn't even imagine playing at that level. Nor would I play at the $10 level. As we all know, returns are based on "long term" and I don't have that kind of budget for long term at higher levels.

With 8 Royals, @ $20K each, that $160K (20K each?) would certainly allow a step up to the $10 level, to experiment for a short term, especially since you are an advantage player claiming to gain more than 0.26% on the game.

When you first "introduced" this "ultimate advantage play", you stated that the "high roller" would have to visit on Tuesdays to play (for 3x points - entries), and one Saturday per month for the drawings. (11x for possible $50K, + 1x for possible $1,000,000).

Now you factor in the additional FSP and bonuses, but do not mention that some/much of the FSP is only valid on Thursdays. So instead of a total of 64 visits, now there are another 52 visits for FSP - bonus money. IF the new high roller receives a1% of coin in as FSP, etc.

From what I "see", you receive $735 FSP valid on Tuesdays. The other stuff does not apply to this specific play, that started with 64 visits.

Your mentioning, or "proving" a 1% FSP is just more misdirection, as this additional information almost double the visits the high roller needs to make.

I just do not believe your statements without acceptable proof. But this latest information you've provided, your claims, is certainly not looking better for those "teams" from elsewhere, who would now have to "travel" 116 times per year, &/or spend a significant portion of their comps on travel expenses instead of being able to use it for FSP.

Actually, if someone else, anyone else, had brought this "opportunity" to the forum, I would have been far less vocal or resistant to it.

BUT, I know you, and you lack credibility with me. When you provide information, or facts, I doubt the veracity of that information until or unless I get all the details and can verify the information to my satisfaction. You display your tendencies with providing information about your FSP, and omitting the extra visits required, etc. That omitted information certainly changes expectation based on hours played, or visits necessary to maximize it.

I will state, that from my perspective, that without any guarantee of bonus cash back, FSP, offers & bonuses would be forthcoming, at 1% or more of coin in, than this may not be an advantage play.

I did visit Total Rewards, and the Rincon website. I found some information about the promo. I also found that $10 coin in equals 1 point, and that 200 points equals $1.00 comp value, in other words, $2,000 coin in for $1.00 on video poker.

Once again, IMHO, you've demonstrated your ability to provide fluff, and inability to provide proof or details that can be verified and used to calculate whether this is, indeed a true advantage play.

First, roadtrip, since you don't believe a word I say I wonder why I should even respond.

You are correct that some of the free play must be downloaded (or uploaded, I don't know which is correct) on certain days, but the monthly and weekly can be used anytime during those periods.

As I noted there are local players who do go to the casino on a regular basis just to download the daily offers and either play on a daily basis or return to use it on a "bonus day." For example, every Monday is a "multiplier day" and 7Stars players get a five-times multiplier for comp points when they play video poker.

Of the approx $3400 of free play in January, slightly more than half is "anytime" money that I can use on any weekly visit. Use it on a Tuesday when there are "triple points" for the promotion and it still gives a positive return on the game.

You can verify the 99.26% return on 8/5 Aces and Faces on wizardofodds.com. You can verify that there are 8/5 Aces and Faces games on the $100 machines by phoning the casino and asking for the high limit slots area. You can also call total rewards at the casino and ask them for the formula for free play and cash back, but you'll probably get a voice mail.

Yes, play during January would not be rewarded with free play until March, so that would be 10 months of a positive game, and two months at 99.26% plus the triple entires on Tuesdays and the increased chances of winning the drawings.

If I knew that my pace of royal flushes were to continue, then yes, I would certainly move up to $10. However, the $10 games at Rincon do not have 8/5 aces/faces and the games at $10 are 8/5 DDB and 8/5 Jacks and they are poor pay tables.

The next denomination up for 8/5 aces/faces is $25.

But I can't lose site that in 2011 I went approx 180-thousand hands without a royal. Had I been playing at $10 during that period of time I might have gone broke. LOL

But alas, you don't believe a word I say.

You are correct, I do not believe much of what you say, because you, IMHO, are careless in what you write, and usually fail to provide meaningful details or all the information. The key word is "much". I do not read your messages and take them at face value, or that the information provided is as authoritative as you want readers to believe. IMHO, you are not an "expert" who has proven himself to be accurate or correct. It seems to me that is definitely not the situation.

Showing your total FSP/ bonuses are just one example. When only Tuesdays, and 1 Saturday per month are considered, than they may total 0.6%. Maybe. That still leaves the game at 92.86% MAX, plus value of drawing entries.

Just how much does Rincon accept in wagers per year between machines, and table games? Since everyone receives entries, there may be a 100 million or more entries in that barrel.

How many entries is our high roller going to have in that barrel?

And there is still no guarantee that the FSP, etc will total 1%. You demonstrated that by showing us your November numbers, which work out, for the specific promotion and method of play recommended by you, to less than 0.6%. (If even that information is accurate)

What I am saying is that when I read your messages, I read them with the knowledge and personal experience that the details being given, the numbers stated, the terms/conditions, etc may not be correct, and need to be carefully examined before any credibility can be established.

I do not feel the need to do that with many other posters, and often/usually take their information at face value. IF they are incorrect, it's usually not by a mile.